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Thomas Penfold and Sophia/Soffia Orchard
« on: Thursday 02 February 06 22:14 GMT (UK) »
have been researching my PENFOLD roots. most of them lived in the St Austell area as travelling pedlars.
i have managed to trace back as far as 1866:
     THOMAS PENFOLD (50YRS IN 1891) M. SOPHIA/SOFFIA ORCHARD(45)they married in june 1866 in South Molton.
they had many many children , one of them being my GR.grdad William penfold(b,1873ish)
according to 1891 census , they were living in St Austell at that time.

i would appraciate any leads.
thanks deb
Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton,  Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans


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Re: thomas penfold married in south molton1866 to sophia orchard
« Reply #1 on: Friday 03 February 06 14:26 GMT (UK) »
Hi Deb, I think this may be your Thomas in the 1861 census

Listed in Persons not in houses

Robert Penfold 45 born Wiltshire ?busk & mat hawker
Amelia 43                            "              "                 "
Robert M 23 born Southhampton                "
Thomas 12 born Exeter                               "
James 11 born Bridgewater
Ollof 8 born Withridge
Henry 6 born Yeovil
Elizabeth 2 born Dorchester
Pricilla 6 monthes      "
Maria Thompson 29 born Brockners, Hampshire sister and hawker
Henry 6 born Prath nephew

living Uplyme, Exeter, Devon

RG9/1370
104
22

what do you think?

all the best
Kate.
Cavan - FLYNN & NEARY
Donegal - O'DONNELL
Dublin - BRADY, GREEN, NEILL & ST LEGER
Kerry - CRIMEEN, CROWLY & DONOGHUE
Longford - FLYNN, WHELAN & DAVIS
Sligo - FLYNN & HEALY
Wicklow - CLARE, COLEY, CRIMEEN, CUNNIAM, DOYLE, FLYNN, MURPHY, O'BYRNE & SUTTON
Devon, Som, Glam & Mon - BISSETT
Gloucs, Glam & Mon - ROBERTS
Here, Brec & Mon - WATKINS
Mon - ISRAEL, LEWIS, MATTHEWS, MORGAN & PROBERT
Salop & Mon - EVANS
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Re: thomas penfold married in south molton1866 to sophia orchard
« Reply #2 on: Friday 03 February 06 14:42 GMT (UK) »
I don't think this is the same family as I have found them on the 71 census and Thomas is still living with them.
I can't find them on the 91 census either what is the reference page for them?

Regards
Kate.
Cavan - FLYNN & NEARY
Donegal - O'DONNELL
Dublin - BRADY, GREEN, NEILL & ST LEGER
Kerry - CRIMEEN, CROWLY & DONOGHUE
Longford - FLYNN, WHELAN & DAVIS
Sligo - FLYNN & HEALY
Wicklow - CLARE, COLEY, CRIMEEN, CUNNIAM, DOYLE, FLYNN, MURPHY, O'BYRNE & SUTTON
Devon, Som, Glam & Mon - BISSETT
Gloucs, Glam & Mon - ROBERTS
Here, Brec & Mon - WATKINS
Mon - ISRAEL, LEWIS, MATTHEWS, MORGAN & PROBERT
Salop & Mon - EVANS
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Re: thomas penfold married in south molton1866 to sophia orchard
« Reply #3 on: Friday 03 February 06 14:51 GMT (UK) »
hi kate
the ref page  is RG12/1822 folio 114 pg 14.......
maybe  they all still lived together seeing as the were travellers.
i hope these are the ones... it would be fantastic
thanks again deb
Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton,  Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans


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Re: thomas penfold married in south molton1866 to sophia orchard
« Reply #4 on: Friday 03 February 06 14:54 GMT (UK) »
Hi Deb

Do you have a copy of the 1866 marriage certificate?  If so, what does it say about Thomas' father and who were the marriage witnesses?  Where was your Thomas born according to all the census that you have found for him?

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Re: thomas penfold married in south molton1866 to sophia orchard
« Reply #5 on: Friday 03 February 06 15:13 GMT (UK) »
hi Casalguidi
i am in the usa and do not have any certs... i only found out about thomas yesterday.
the research was done by  someone else..... as you can see i am new to all this searching and feel a little lost. all the info i received is on a message board in the CORNWALL message area ..under the same heading. maybe if you read my responses there you might find something you need.
i really appreciate your help:)
deb
Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton,  Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans


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Re: thomas penfold married in south molton1866 to sophia orchard
« Reply #6 on: Friday 03 February 06 19:12 GMT (UK) »
What were Thomas' and Sophia's children called? I still can't find them on the 91 census.

Kate.
Cavan - FLYNN & NEARY
Donegal - O'DONNELL
Dublin - BRADY, GREEN, NEILL & ST LEGER
Kerry - CRIMEEN, CROWLY & DONOGHUE
Longford - FLYNN, WHELAN & DAVIS
Sligo - FLYNN & HEALY
Wicklow - CLARE, COLEY, CRIMEEN, CUNNIAM, DOYLE, FLYNN, MURPHY, O'BYRNE & SUTTON
Devon, Som, Glam & Mon - BISSETT
Gloucs, Glam & Mon - ROBERTS
Here, Brec & Mon - WATKINS
Mon - ISRAEL, LEWIS, MATTHEWS, MORGAN & PROBERT
Salop & Mon - EVANS
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Re: thomas penfold married in south molton1866 to sophia orchard
« Reply #7 on: Friday 03 February 06 19:37 GMT (UK) »
hi
this is the info i have:
enumerated.... penfull
lived in tents in st austell
THOMAS 50 HAWKER
SOFFIA 45 ...COULD ALSO BE SOPHIA ...SURNAME ORCHARD (?)
married june 1866 south molton devon


CHILDREN: WILLIAM 20 my gr grdad
                   DEFIANCE 19
                    JOHN 17
                    CHRISTONA 16
                    CHRISTOPHER 14
                    EDWARD 12
                    SOFFIA 10
                    NELSON 8
                    ELIZABETH 6
                   HARRIET 4
                    MISSIA 1
                   SELINA 3MNTHS
 i have spoken with my mum...she says william was ostracised after he married a house dweller. when he married bessie (palmer).... they had at least 17 kids ...s few of their names were; nelson, eddie . sophia, john. christopher. christobel, veeny, etc..... almost as if he were naming them after his siblings....

Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton,  Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans


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Re: thomas penfold married in south molton1866 to sophia orchard
« Reply #8 on: Friday 03 February 06 19:39 GMT (UK) »
Hi Deb, the family I found in the 61 census I have found in the 71, I do not think it is your Thomas as it states that he is unmarried. There is another Penfold family living next to them, I don't know if it will help but here are the details

Robert Penfold 55 born Bremmer, Wilts a brush maker and licensed hawker
Amelia 53 born not known
Thomas 22 born Devon a brush maker and licensed hawker
Harry 15 born Ilchester, Somerset   "              "             "
Robert 20 born Shapwick, Devon     "              "             "
Hollif 18 born Woolbridge, Dorset a licensed hawker
Elizabeth 13 born Dorchester, Dorset    "          "
Pricilla 11 born Leigh, Dorset


William Penfold 38 born Hampshire a brush maker and licensed hawker
Pricilla 39 born not known a licensed hawker
Pricilla 16 born Portsmouth, Hants "       "
Charlotte 15            "                     "        "
Amos 8 born Hampshire
Henry 6              "
Hollif 5 born Portsmouth, Hants
Patience 3             "
Rachel 1                "
Patience Tomson 22 born Sussex a licensed hawker and sister-in-law.

living Near Seaway Lane, Abbotsbury, Dorset.

Regards
Kate.
Cavan - FLYNN & NEARY
Donegal - O'DONNELL
Dublin - BRADY, GREEN, NEILL & ST LEGER
Kerry - CRIMEEN, CROWLY & DONOGHUE
Longford - FLYNN, WHELAN & DAVIS
Sligo - FLYNN & HEALY
Wicklow - CLARE, COLEY, CRIMEEN, CUNNIAM, DOYLE, FLYNN, MURPHY, O'BYRNE & SUTTON
Devon, Som, Glam & Mon - BISSETT
Gloucs, Glam & Mon - ROBERTS
Here, Brec & Mon - WATKINS
Mon - ISRAEL, LEWIS, MATTHEWS, MORGAN & PROBERT
Salop & Mon - EVANS
Census info is crown copyright www.nationalarchives.co