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Re: BBC Gloucs Judith's WIRTZ ancestor from Prussia
« Reply #18 on: Saturday 11 February 06 12:18 GMT (UK) »
So Emma (not born in the 1881 census) was Albert's sister, not his wife
and not Anne's D-i-L)  ;D
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Re: BBC Gloucs Judith's WIRTZ ancestor from Prussia
« Reply #19 on: Saturday 11 February 06 12:21 GMT (UK) »
Right - Albert marries a little later (Sep 1902)

Births Sep 1874 Shoreditch
Minnie Elizabeth Wirtz

Marriages June 1897 Islington
Minnie Elizabeth Wirtz
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Re: BBC Gloucs Judith's WIRTZ ancestor from Prussia
« Reply #20 on: Saturday 11 February 06 12:26 GMT (UK) »
I also see a William Napoleon Wirtz marrying in June 1885 Holborn - possibly to a Sarah Swindell - probably the Napoleon found by Berlin-Bob earlier.

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Re: BBC Gloucs Judith's WIRTZ ancestor from Prussia
« Reply #21 on: Saturday 11 February 06 12:51 GMT (UK) »
on the 1881 there is a son called William, 3 years old.

Did Frederick WIRTZ's have siblings ??

Calling the father John Napoleon Wirtz implies that the whole family emigrated, and Father Johann or Johannes changed his name to John

The multiple Williams, Fredericks and Napoleons, living in the London seems to point in this direction.

Bob

ps. plenty of Johann/Johannes WIRTZ on http://gedbas.genealogy.net/ but we need a bit more information to locate him
A good start would be to go through the place names to see which are in Prussia
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Re: BBC Gloucs Judith's WIRTZ ancestor from Prussia
« Reply #22 on: Sunday 12 February 06 16:08 GMT (UK) »
Hello everyone

Thanks for all the information. I have most of it already. I think there was also an older son Frederick born 1870 who was disowned by the family. My mother didn't know of his existence but I found reference in the Times Archives to him being imprisoned for stealing a coat. What skeletons I am finding. My mother also had an Aunt Cissie - born about 1880 who married someone called Clark and had 6 boys but I can't find out much about her. Emma married Walter Huggins and had 5 children, Wally, Doris, Winnie, Rosie and Albert all of whom married foreigners much to her annoyance. She was the youngest and told my mother we should have had some money from Germany, which made me think father was still over there but I may be wrong. The fact that he met Ann in Chatham made me wonder if the family landed there? Would they have any records do you think?

Thanks again all

Judith

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Re: BBC Gloucs Judith's WIRTZ ancestor from Prussia
« Reply #23 on: Sunday 12 February 06 16:17 GMT (UK) »
Hi Judith,

Welcome aboard  :)  :)

No need to ask
Topic: How did you find Rootschat?
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,47969.0.html   ;D

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Re: BBC Gloucs Judith's WIRTZ ancestor from Prussia
« Reply #24 on: Sunday 12 February 06 16:40 GMT (UK) »
Hi Judith

Great to "see" you again!  :D

It might be best to start a new thread for some of your new questions.  Aunt Cissie's family for example.

You had a great response to your first question - best of the day by far! 

When you have had time to check out the links etc let us know how we can help you further


kind regards, Arranroots (aka BBC Gloucs yesterday)   ;)
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Re: BBC Gloucs Judith's WIRTZ ancestor from Prussia
« Reply #25 on: Tuesday 14 February 06 11:09 GMT (UK) »
If you search the National Archives site there is a reference to Frederick WIlliam WIRTZ in the Register if Seamen's Services -3.50 to download image.
Middx - VAUS, ROBERTS, EVERSFIELD, INMAN, STAR, HOLBECK, WYATT, BICKFORD, SMITH, REDWOOD
Hants - SMALL, HAMMERTON, GRIST, FRYER, TRODD, WOODFORD, CROUTEAR, BECK, BENDELL, KEEPING, HARDING
Kent - BAYLY, BORER, MITCHELL, PLANE, VERNON, FARRANCE, CHAPMAN, MEDHURST, LOMAX, WYATT, IDEN
Devon - TOPE, BICKFORD, FOSTER
YKS - QUIRK, McGUIRE, BENN
Nott/Derbs - SLACK
Herts - BARNES
L'pool- PLUMBE
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Re: BBC Gloucs Judith's WIRTZ ancestor from Prussia
« Reply #26 on: Friday 24 February 06 07:27 GMT (UK) »
Hello again

I have followed up lots of your ideas and think I may have a result.  I looked into the other Wirtz families in England at the same time and I think that a Louis Alexander Wirtz, who settled in Liverpool, could be Frederick's older brother.  He is about the right age and the French sounding name is encouraging.  He took out British Nationality and his documents say he came from Trier - the same as featured in Julian Cleary's programme.  I have contacted Trier and hope for a positive confirmation that this is the same family and will let you know as and when I hear.

Judith