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1841 Mennythorpe/Menethorpe please
« on: Tuesday 14 February 06 22:17 GMT (UK) »
I'm looking for the Wilson family who were millers by occupation. George and Ann were the parents and had quite a brood of children between 1817-1835.

Thank you
Wellington/Dawley areas - Attwood, Podmore, Wall
Sheffield - Oxspring
Machester - Clarkson
London - Whiffen/in
Leics. - Wass

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Re: 1841 Mennythorpe/Menethorpe please
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 15 February 06 19:20 GMT (UK) »
Hi alnat

Just a thought that as he was a miller he may be listed in the trade directories of the time.  Historicaldirectories.org (Leicester university) have various ones online and free to search in pdf format.

I think the village is Menthorpe as I have Walmsleys and Beilbys from that area.  The Walmsleys were publicans and the Ferryman from Menthorpe across the river to Breighton.  Not very big villages, just a few houses and the manor.  Check it out over at genuki and a goole search.

Cheers

John Rowley
DUNN - Cambuslang, LKS
FORSYTH - Shotts, LKS
FRAME - Hamilton, LKS
HODGSON - Hamsterley, DUR
HUMPHREY - Easingwold, NRY
HUNT - Frimley, Surrey
MCKECHNIE - Argyll - Shotts
NETHERCLIFF(T)/ DRAYCOTT Sandhurst, BKS
PEPPERCORN - Lolworth, Cambs
PRATT - Thirsk, NYK
REDSHAW - Hamsterley, DUR
REYNOLDS - Fritton,Stratton,NFK
ROWLEY - STS to DUR
TALLACK - St Agnes Padstow,CON
WALMSLEY - NRY,Brum
WILSON - Hamsterley, Co Durham
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Re: 1841 Mennythorpe/Menethorpe please
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 15 February 06 20:27 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for the idea. I'll have a look. I have the web address in my favourites.

The spelling of the village changes on each Census. My 2001 UK Map book actually has it spelled Kennythorpe!
Wellington/Dawley areas - Attwood, Podmore, Wall
Sheffield - Oxspring
Machester - Clarkson
London - Whiffen/in
Leics. - Wass


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Re: 1841 Mennythorpe/Menethorpe please
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 15 February 06 20:32 GMT (UK) »
Hi alnat

Had a similar problem with Cowsby spelt Cowesby or Rowesby! and Borrowby spelt Barrowby!

Phonetics  ??? :o

Good job surnames became fashionable!

John Rowley
DUNN - Cambuslang, LKS
FORSYTH - Shotts, LKS
FRAME - Hamilton, LKS
HODGSON - Hamsterley, DUR
HUMPHREY - Easingwold, NRY
HUNT - Frimley, Surrey
MCKECHNIE - Argyll - Shotts
NETHERCLIFF(T)/ DRAYCOTT Sandhurst, BKS
PEPPERCORN - Lolworth, Cambs
PRATT - Thirsk, NYK
REDSHAW - Hamsterley, DUR
REYNOLDS - Fritton,Stratton,NFK
ROWLEY - STS to DUR
TALLACK - St Agnes Padstow,CON
WALMSLEY - NRY,Brum
WILSON - Hamsterley, Co Durham
Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

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Re: 1841 Mennythorpe/Menethorpe please
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 15 February 06 23:23 GMT (UK) »
Hello alnat

No mills or millers at Menthorpe, on the hills near are -
1841 Census Township of Cliff HO107/1228/3
Page 17b
William Wilson 40 miller
Isabella     "     37
Bryan        "       4

Page 20b Cliff Mills
John Wilson 30 Crusher miller
Ann       "      25
Elizabeth  "    4
Mary Hailstone 20   F S
Joseph Fallowfield 25   M S
Mark Gat 20   Miller app
John Gat 15   M S
Jonathan Baker 15   M S

All born in County
In the 1841 census ages over 15 are rounded down to the lower 0 or 5.
Sometimes the enumerator forgets.
Where was the 1835 child of George and Ann born.

Regards Oly           

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Oliver - Swinton nr. Rotherham, South Yorks
          - Wombwell nr. Barnsley, South Yorks
          - Sheffield and Wortley, South Yorks
          - Loughborough
Naylor- Derbyshire and Nottinghamshire

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Re: 1841 Mennythorpe/Menethorpe please
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 16 February 06 08:55 GMT (UK) »
I have realised I made an error in my earlier post, George's wife was Jane not Ann.

I found this transcript of the entry of 'professions and trades'
for MENETHORPE in White's Directory of 1840.

Wilson George, corn miller

Children were baptised at Westow which was the Parish Church.

In 1851 there was Jane 55, widow, Miller & farmer of 20 acres born Menneythorpe, Thomas 27, employed in mill, born Menneythorpe, Isabella 17 born Menneythorpe.  The reference is 2369/242 12, district Mennythorpe.

I have spelled the name of the village as it was found in each source.
Wellington/Dawley areas - Attwood, Podmore, Wall
Sheffield - Oxspring
Machester - Clarkson
London - Whiffen/in
Leics. - Wass

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Re: 1841 Mennythorpe/Menethorpe please
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 16 February 06 17:25 GMT (UK) »
Hello alnat

The 1851 info pointed me to -

1841 Census Meneythorpe HO107/1212/6
page 2a
George Wilson   20 miller
John          "        40
Mary          "        20
Thomas      "        15
Frances     "         13
William       "         11
Isabella     "          8
James       "          6

page 3a
 Thomas Wilson 35 ag lab and Ann 30 with Hannah 10, Thomas 8, Mary 6, Emanuel 4, William 2, Esther 9 months.

page 4

George Wilson 65 ag lab and Mary 65
Two doors away
Thomas Wilson 35 carpenter Mary 30 and William 8, Jane 3, Martha 1

next Village Westow /6
Mary Wilson 75 ind
Mary      "      9

All above born in County
No other information given

Regards Oly
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Oliver - Swinton nr. Rotherham, South Yorks
          - Wombwell nr. Barnsley, South Yorks
          - Sheffield and Wortley, South Yorks
          - Loughborough
Naylor- Derbyshire and Nottinghamshire

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Re: 1841 Mennythorpe/Menethorpe please
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 18 February 06 17:42 GMT (UK) »
Thank you very much for that, it looks very interesting. Sorry not to reply sooner, I've been away for a couple of days.

Would you mind double checking something please? Living with George the miller you have a 40 year old 'John'. This couldn't possibly be Jane, his widowed mother could it? By 1851 the widowed Jane aged 55 is running the mill.

Wellington/Dawley areas - Attwood, Podmore, Wall
Sheffield - Oxspring
Machester - Clarkson
London - Whiffen/in
Leics. - Wass

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Re: 1841 Mennythorpe/Menethorpe please
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 18 February 06 21:58 GMT (UK) »
Hello alnat

A good job someone is on the ball, it looks like John but woe is me I should have noticed the age is in the female column.
Sorry about that.

Regards Oly
Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

Oliver - Swinton nr. Rotherham, South Yorks
          - Wombwell nr. Barnsley, South Yorks
          - Sheffield and Wortley, South Yorks
          - Loughborough
Naylor- Derbyshire and Nottinghamshire