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James & Agnes Robison
« on: Friday 24 February 06 03:18 GMT (UK) »
I am seeking details of James Robison & Agnes (née Barclay) who were married in 1854 in Kirkpatrick Durham.
Does anyone know when or where James was born?


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Re: James & Agnes Robison
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 08 March 06 12:05 GMT (UK) »
Hi Brolga

Robison is an unusual name.  If you look on the 1851 Census Dumfries site there is an unmarried 20 year old James Robison living at Plan Crossmichael.  If I recall correctly Crossmichael is next to Kirkpatrick Durham.  I can only find one Agnes Barclay for the same time.  Unfortunately she is a 34 year old spinster who was born in Wigtown.

Hope this infromation is of use.

Yours JA
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Re: James & Agnes Robison
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 08 March 06 12:21 GMT (UK) »
this might be him

ROBISON, James   

   born   9 Jun 1828   
   Chris   17 Jun 1828   Balmaghie Kirkcudbright  Scotland
   Fath   James ROBISON
   Moth   Barbara HOUSTON

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Re: James & Agnes Robison
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 19 April 06 05:57 BST (UK) »
Perhaps, but I don't think so Audrey.
The James I seek is shown in shipping records as born about 1823.
James & Agnes migrated to Australia in 1863.

And, no, JA.
The Agnes I seek was born 1827 in Kirkpatrick Durham.
The James from Crossmichael would seem to be too young.


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Re: James & Agnes Robison
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 19 April 06 22:07 BST (UK) »
Hi Brolga

I think I've pieced together some of the info from a variety of sources. Firstly, Agnes Barclay:

From IGI, I think this might be her family:

Her father was John Barkley who was born on 11 June 1782 in Kirkpatrick Durham, parents not shown although it appears to be extract from OPR. He married Janet McGeorge on 1 Sept 1810 in Kirkpatrick Durham.

The children showing for them on IGI include:
KATHERINE BARKLEY -  05 AUG 1811
HELEN BARKLEY - 22 JAN 1815
MARGARET PATTERSON BARKLEY - 8 AUG 1819
AGNESS SEATON BARKLEY - 15 FEB 1828
MARY BARKLEY - 18 MAY 1822

They all show as born in Kirkpatrick Durham, Kirkcudbright.

From the 1851 Dumgal census, this is Agnes I believe living at home:

BERKLEY Janet, age 62, widow, Innkeeper, born Parton, Kbt
BERKLEY Thomas, age 25, son, carrier/carter general
BERKLEY Agnes, age 22, daughter, Assistant to mother (domestic duties)
BERKLEY William, age 19, son, carrier/carter general

Also at the household is:
ROBISON Hugh, age 14, grandson, scholar/errand boy

Everyone with the exception of Janet is showing as born in Kirkpatrick Durham. Address is Cross Street(874) Household no: 6/101

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Now in respect of James Robison, I think he might be older than you think. I can't see anything relevant at this stage for his birth on IGI. There is however an entry in the 1851 census that could be him.  A visitor at the household of a
David Middleton in Hartburn Cottage(871) is shown as a James Robison, an agricultural labourer, aged 33 born Kirkpatrick Durham.  This is the only James Robison with that birthplace showing.

If this is the correct James, his birth year would be closer to 1817/8.

Couldn't resist it, had a look on Scotlands People for their 1861 census return just prior to them leaving the country.

James is showing as aged 40, grocer, birth year now around 1820/1. Agnes is staying true to her age and is showing as age 33 and three children on the census:

John, age 5
Isabella, age 3 (IGI: 6 Jan 1857)
Thomas, age 1 (IGI: 4 June 1859)

One more child is showing on IGI born just after the 1861 census, Hugh, born 25 July 1861.

Now, speculation on my part! If they followed Scottish naming patterns, John would be after Agnes's father, Isabella and Thomas should be James's parents' names. Janet may have followed after they migrated to Australia (unless they had a child that died earlier on).

There is a Thomas and Isabella Robison showing in 1851 Census:
ROBISON Thomas, age 83, Annuitant (retired farmer), born Irongray Kbt
ROBISON Isabella, age 74, wife, born Kirkpatrick Dur

Address: Cross Street(874)
Household No: 6/117

The address for Thomas and Isabella would appear to be the same street as
Agnes and her family in 1851.

Hope this helps!

Regards.

Monica








   
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Re: James & Agnes Robison
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 20 April 06 16:39 BST (UK) »
Hi Brolga

If we have the right family for Agnes Barclay, mother Janet McGeorge, you might be interested in reading this post http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=3666.msg689357#msg689357
regarding McGeorge research.

Regards.

Monica
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Re: James & Agnes Robison
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 20 April 06 23:44 BST (UK) »
Hi Brolga,
I'll put my tuppenceworth in too as Janet/Jane McGeorge married to John Barkley was sister to my ggg grandfather James McGeorge b Parton . Their parent's were Walter McGeorge & Helen McLellan So if you go to the Kay reply on the 'McGeorge' chat and contact her  she is a member for the Guild of One Name studies- doing McGeorge name.She's got tons of info
Also when I joined Genes Reunited and put my tree info on(am I aloud to mention that on this site?? :-X)I was contacted by Alan in Australia who's doing same tree(McGeorge/Barkley). His line is through Katherine Barkley  (sister to Agnes Barkley who married James Robison)He has lots of info on Barkley family (And Kay has too)but, unfortunately nothing to add on James Robison. (Good work by Monica can I just say.)
John Barkley's parent's were Hans Barkley and Kathern McRobert.
John & Janet had 9 children.
James Robison had another 3 children :Janet b 1863;Walter b 1867 and Mary b 1869
Too much info to write it all down here. I've told Alan to take a look at this chat and he'll get in touch with you too I hope.
Keep up the good work people.
Linda
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Re: James & Agnes Robison
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 26 April 06 06:28 BST (UK) »


Yes, that is the correct Agnes Barclay/Barkley, grand-daughter of McGeorges.
Not only Agnes and, apparently Katherine, but, I believe, a brother Walter also emmigrated to Australia.

Monica, you have a plausible suggestion about James Robison.
I didn't know the Scottish naming conventions.

Thank you everyone.




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Re: James & Agnes Robison
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 26 April 06 09:26 BST (UK) »
Re Scottish naming traditions for children, not always followed to the letter, but a good guide:

For sons:
1st son after paternal grandfather
2nd son after maternal grandfather
3rd son after Father
4th son after the father's eldest brother.

For daughters:
1st daughter after maternal grandmother
2nd daughter after paternal grandmother
3rd daughter after mother
4th daughter after the mother's eldest sister.

Also, if you're lucky (!), the use of family surnames as middle names for children can also help you determine family lines.

Regards.

Monica
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