GRIFFITH 1841

[Alex and Jan]

Shipping records to Australia have located George and Emma GRIFFITH in 1849 coming from St Helier Jersey.
Could SKS look for them in the 1841 census for us please ?
George b 1825 has a brother Thomas
parents John and Emma

Emma b 1828 parents Robert and Sarah - we do not have the marriage details so do not know the surname.

Thank You
Alex and Jan

[Mike E]

I had a look for George and Emma Griffith in Jersey 1841 census online at http://members.shaw.ca/jerseymaid without success.

All I could find was possibly the brother -
St Helier
Thomas Griffith carpenter 25 Jersey 
Mary 25  Jersey
Eliza  3  Jersey
Emilia 18 mths Jersey
Thomas 1 month Jersey.

St Helier, Deslands Place
Thomas Griffiths 20 turner Jersey
Ann Griffiths 20 milliner Jersey
Ann 4 months Jersey
Ann Rose 60 ind Jersey

Sorry this does not sound very promising.  Could they have moved to the UK in 1841 before going to Australia?

Have you any more details to confirm a Jersey link? or could it be spelt differently?

Mike

[Alex and Jan]

Hi Mike
Thanks for your posting.
Thomas was already here when George and Emma emigrated in 1849.
The details we posted where from the shipping records.
Thanks for looking
Alex and Jan

[Mike E]

Alex and Jan -

I have loads of interesting information for you!

St Helier parish church marriages -
26 Oct 1845
George Griffiths  aged 20  bachelor  occupation: turner  resident: St Helier  born: St Helier  father: John Griffitrhs, turner
Emma Littlejohns  aged 18  spinster - resident: St Helier  born: St helier  Father: Robert Littlejohns, cooper

George's parents were married in St Helier - 17.3.1814
John Griffiths  St Helier
Betsey Le Gresley  St Helier

Then I seached for John's baptism, St Helier parish church -
George Griffiths bapt. 3.11.1824  son of John Griffiths and Betsey Le Gresley

and found siblings with the same parents:
Thomas  bap. 8.6.1817
Betsey  bap. 20.4.1820
Philippe bap. 1.11.1822
George  bap. 3.11.1824
Mary Jane  bap. 10.12.1828
Harriet  bap. 19.6.1831
Francis William  bap. 16.2.1834
Mary Ann Jane bap. 16.7.1837
Ann Emilia  bap. 15.3.1840

and eventually, I have found them in the 1841 census, St Helier:
John Griffiths
Elizabeth
Philip
George
Elizabeth
Francis
Jane
Henrietta  [Harriet?]
Mary
Anne


... and in 1851 census, St Helier, Le Geyt Street -
GRIFFITH
John hd  marr. 58  turner  St Helier
Betty wife  marr.  54  St Helier
Jane Mary  dau  unm  22  b. France, Nantes
Harriet  dau  unm  19  St Helier
Francis William  son  unm  17  "
Mary Ann Jane  dau  unm  13  "
Ann Amelia  dau  unm  11   "
Amelia Esther  dau  unm  8  "

[of course Thomas and George had left by then].

I had a look for the Littlejohns but, although Emma is supposed to be born in St Helier, I couldn't find them.

I think this will give you plenty to be going on with. Let me know when you need any more information.

Mike

[Alex and Jan]

WOW thanks a lot for those details MIke :-)

We have been contacted by another descendant of this line and he has George Griffith marrying  Emma Ann Quarm 26 Oct 1845 !
Her death here in Australia in 1869 says her parents are Robert and Sarah
 and that she was born about 1827 St Helier

He also has John Griffith born about 1794 St Helier, parents Jean and Marie Phillipe
Betsy Le Gresley born 20 jan 1797 St John, Jersey, parents Jean Le Gresley and Elizabeth Lucas

Thanks again and we would appreciate it if you happen to  find any more details as we cannot research as easily in Australia,  the female descendant of this line has died, her husband is blind and we are hoping to give their only son all these details.

Alex and Jan

[Mike E]

Hmm... interesting...

I wonder how 'Littlejohns' (which I read directly from the original St Helier parish register in the archives - not a transcipt) could become 'Quarm' from your source?

I will have a look for the name Quarm next time... but it is a strange name!  However, that might explain why I couldn't find anything on the Littlejohns.

Its also interesting that the John Griffiths, turner aged 45, and family, I found in the 1841 census (in Fletcher Place) are almost next door to the Thomas Griffiths, turner aged 20 (in Deslandes Place). I would guess father and son?  Are you certain your Thomas was already in Australia in 1841? 

Sorry to add more queries than I answer.   However, I am happy to look up all the siblings in the later census records etc. - so I want to make sure I am looking up the right family.

Regards

Mike

[Alex and Jan]

Hello again Mike,
The details from the other descendant are on worldconnect.rootsweb.com.
Thomas left England 6 Oct 1848 arriving here 7 Jan 1849 on "Thomas Arbuthnot" - the shipping records say Thomas 31, Ann 29, Ann L 8, Rosa J 5, Thomas G 3.
George left England 16 Oct 1848 arriving here 12 Feb 1849 on the "Harbinger" - George 24, Emma 21, George E infant
These can be viewed on records.nsw.gov.au in the a to z index under immigration.

Alex and Jan

[Mike E]

Hi Alex and Jan -

So that's fairly certain that the Thomas Griffiths in St Helier 1841 census (Deslandes Place) is the brother of George who was living with his father John and family in Fletcher Place, before leaving for Australia.

I still need to sort out the Littlejohn/Quarm question: it seems to be the right marriage but different surname!

Mike

[Alex and Jan]

Thanks Mike,
We look forward to hearing what you can find.
Regards,
Alex and Jan