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Re: Prestwich Workhouse Inmates
« Reply #18 on: Monday 10 April 06 03:29 BST (UK) »
Excellent work UKgirl!  Wow.  I was just going by the numbers that come up on the 1901online address search - I guess they're missing a few!   ;D

So was Marion really involved with Michael Dunne, or was 82 Sudell St. just an address she picked out of the air? 

Well porcelayne ladye - you've got something to keep you busy.  Let us know how it goes!

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Eagle (Yorkshire), Prior (Berkshire), Buckland (Nottinghamshire),
Short (Devon), Sinclair (Caithness, Scotland), Patterson (Co. Tyrone, Ireland)

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« Reply #19 on: Monday 10 April 06 15:51 BST (UK) »
Hello MJP and UK Girl. Thank you both very much for all work you have been doing. Fantastic.In answer to some of your questions.Re Michael Dunne 82 Sudell Street and your question "Do I sense romance in the air" NO  More later.
1881 Census Yes got a copy back in 1990's after Charles Edward Grainger childrens births in Newport found.
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Re: Prestwich Workhouse Inmates
« Reply #20 on: Monday 10 April 06 16:34 BST (UK) »
Hello MJP and UK Girl. Sent a too long a replyand it cut off. Basically Showed Mary Ann  death cert to someone today. Address should in fact be OF 27 Sudell Stret. the OF looked like an 8 and the Seven a long comma.
Do not know if you will get my previous posting. In which I thanked you both for all hard work and wondered if you could check out 27 Sudell Street  Nos 2-39  on RG13/3750/82 page 1-5. Thanks again wont write too much in case this does not work either.  Do not know what happend. This is all new to me.
Kind Regards and Thanks  to MJP and UK Girl
Porcelayne Ladye
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Re: Prestwich Workhouse Inmates
« Reply #21 on: Monday 10 April 06 17:08 BST (UK) »
Hi porcelayne ladye,

Alone at 27 Sudell is:

Sarah Smith, Head, Widow, 64, Shopkeeper (then another work in brackets - foovision?), b. Cann. Gloster.
RG13/3750 Folio 80 Page 2
(not sure what's up with the Folio number, shoudl be 82?)
Her birthplace has been transcribed as Gloster Canada, but I don't think that's what's is meant by Cann.  Its probably actually a sloppily-written Cam, Gloucestershire. 

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Eagle (Yorkshire), Prior (Berkshire), Buckland (Nottinghamshire),
Short (Devon), Sinclair (Caithness, Scotland), Patterson (Co. Tyrone, Ireland)


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Re: Prestwich Workhouse Inmates
« Reply #22 on: Monday 10 April 06 19:24 BST (UK) »
Hello and Many Thanks You are an Angel. Sarah Smith Shopkeeper  (should read Provisions) I am really beginning to think Samuel gave Marian a shop in her settlement. He was a Provisons Dealer and Cheese Factor. Bye for Now and Many thanks to both you and UK Girl. Will let you know how I get on.
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Re: Prestwich Workhouse Inmates
« Reply #23 on: Tuesday 11 April 06 06:54 BST (UK) »
Hello to you both,

P.L., You have made some more progress. That's great! And thank you MJP!!

P.L., Are you thinking that Samuel gave a shop at 27, Sudell Street to Marian?

I think that this may discount that particular theory:

1891:

27 Sudell Street

Henry Smith, Head, Mar, 56, Glassmaker (employed) Born: Gloucestershire, Bristol
Sarah Smith, Wife, Mar, 56, Occupation: ---, Born: Gloucestershire, Cain (Cam?)
Henry Smith, Son, 30, Warehouseman, (employed), Born: Gloucestershire, Bristol

RG12/ Piece 3242/ Folio 95/ Page 15
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1881:

27 Sudell Street

Henry Smith, Head, Mar, 55, Geaser in Glass Works, Born: Bristol City, (...?) County
Sarah Smith, Wife, 55, Do wife (ie ditto wife) but crossed out, Born: Gloucestershire, Gloucester
Henry Smith, Son, 24, Warehouseman, Born: Bristol City, (...?) County

They are sharing the house with a tailor and his tailoress wife.

RG12/ Piece 3999/Folio 12/ Page 18
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So, it does not look as if this actual address was a shop.

It would seem that after her husband Henry died, Sarah probably took in Marian as a boarder to make ends meet. And then Marian may have encouraged Sarah to try her hand at this business, making use of Marian's experience in Samuel's business??????

Just a theory...............one of many possibilities, I suppose.

Let us know what else you find out. I am very curious to know whether any more information can actually be found.

Good Luck,

UKgirl
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