Troqueer OPR lookup

[allans]

I would appreciate a check of the OPR for Troqueer
Birth / Christening of  Margaret Tweedie (Feb?) 1815 daughter of Alexander Tweedie and Mary hair
Marriage of John Tweedie and Jean (Jane?) Barton in 1833, particularly interested in identifying his parents if possible

[MonicaL]

There are IGI entries for both, extracted records from the OPRS for Troqueer:

Margaret Tweedie - christening on 11 Feb 1815
John Tweedie - marriage to Jean Barton on 24 Dec 1837

There is also on IGI what looks like the birth of Jean Barton to Edward Barton and Jean Henderson on 23 July 1813 in Troqueer.

From the 1851 census index at http://www.dumgal.gov.uk/historicalindexes/census.aspx I think John Tweedie and Jean were still living in Troqueer. If you key in just Tweedie for surname and 4 King Street, Maxwelltown(882) for address and then 25/120 for the household no. you can see all their family of eight.

You may well get some clues as to John Tweedie's parents from the names of their children. Alternatively, you could try looking for John's death cert on Scotland People. From the free search option, I can see one death of a John Tweedie born c.1819 in 1895 in Troqueer.

Regards.

Monica

[allans]

Thanks

The point of this enquiry is to more closely identify Alexander Tweedie
who, at this point I have no information other than a name.

Johns marriage to Agnes is a 2nd marriage (1864)
The names and dates provided (thanks) tie in with my grandfathers papers.
and I now have a paper trail, double checked, back to the twins and John (a family name in all generations to present day)

Age 51 in 1864 probably means he has already left home before the '41 census (age 28 in '41). So I need to find if his parents are 'deceased' on his first marriage
which may be pre '37.

I suspect, but dont know, that the death in 1863 of Jean Tweedie, Muirkirk, may have been his first wife.

This has been a 'block' for some years on my research into my maternal family line.

[MonicaL]

I'm about to add to your puzzle!

Jane Tweedie, m/s Barton, died age 68, in 1868 in Dumfries. Husband/witness husband John Tweedie, Engineer. This Jane matches the IGI entry for a birth in 1813 in Troqueer, parents Edward and Jane Henderson.

John Tweedie, Engineer, widower of Jane Barton, died age 76, in 1895 in Troqueer (at the same address as per the 1851 census that I posted yesterday). Janet Tweedie, daughter reported death. Parents John Tweedie and Jane Notman (spl?)

 

Monica

[MonicaL]

I can see from the posts on the Lanarkshire board that we may have two couples by the name of John Tweedie and Jean/Jane Barton from Troqueer from the same period! Your John, son of Alexander, could not be be happily living in Lanarkshire with second wife Agnes whilst his other wife Jean Barton was alive and well in Dumfriesshire until 1868!

Monica

[allans]

That sort of helps
In means the Jean Tweedie that died in Muikirk in 1863 is possibly his first wife
and that it is not Jane Barton - but who is she?

At least not if everyone was being honest
Unmarried mothers often claim to be widows
And my GR Grandfather John Smith (try reserching that name) never returned to his wife in 1918 after the war - instead he set up with another woman, calling her his wife, and his real wife called herself a widow

But lets not go down that route

[allans]

Pulling together all contributions from various sources

John Baxter Tweedie
1813 – Born Troqueer – parents Alexander Tweedie and Mary Hair
1841 – census – Age 20, Muirkirk, tailor – no family (free cen)
1851 – census – age ??, Muirkirk, ?? – no family - only seen index
1851 – 61 John marries Jane (maiden name unknown)
1861 – census – age 46, Muirkirk, ?? + Jane (From England) age 38 no children (contibuter did not state job)
1863 – BMD – Jane Tweedie dies in Muirkirk
1864 – MC – age 51, Muirkirk, tailor, marries Agnes, parents both dead
1868 – Jane Tweedie, m/s Barton, died age 68, in  in Dumfries. Husband/witness husband John Tweedie, Engineer (so Jane Barton is not the one)

Leaves following questions

1851 – census, his age, marital status, job?
1861 – census – does it state which English county she is from?
1851 – 61 – when and where did John and Jane marry, what is her maiden name, on MC are his parents dead?
1863 – is the Jane that dies in Muirkirk the wife of John?, any maiden name or age recorded?

Unless anyone has anything else to add

many thanks all

Allan

[MonicaL]

Hi Allan

You probably now have enough searches to extract maximum value from buying 30 units at £6.00GB on Scotlands People. The information you have outstanding you will probably only obtain by viewing the images on SP. From this you will get:

1851/61 Censuses for John T in Muirkirk. The info from this may help you narrow down marriage dates etc. You may not get more info on his first wife's birthplace other than England from the census. You may also get info on any children they may have had from these censuses.

1863 Death cert for a Jane Tweedie in Muirkirk. From this you can confirm that you have the right wife as it should state name of spouse/occupation which should tie in with what you know abour your John. It should also give you age at death and name of her parents. With details of who her parents were and approx. birth year, you can then try searching for her birth in England.


Regards.
Monica

[allans]

Good idea - my thoughts exactly

Allan