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Re: How do I find out where someone was born?
« Reply #27 on: Thursday 04 May 06 11:14 BST (UK) »
Fantastic.  That's much more than i found.  I'd got the 1881 and the 1891 bit.

Thank you very much.
Nicholson - Hargrave/Raunds
Gates - Hargrave
Miller - Lytham
Kelly/Kelley - Cumbria/Isle of Man
Linnell - Silverstone
Major - Towcester
Martin - Cornwall/Isle of Man
Davy - Cornwall
Ayres - Helmdon
Hall - Rugby/Harborough Magna

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Re: How do I find out where someone was born?
« Reply #28 on: Thursday 04 May 06 11:19 BST (UK) »
Going back further .......

1871 Census of Lonan, Isle of Man
RG10/5774 folio 30 page 15
"Minorca Hill"
KELLY
William, head, mar, 58, miner lead, Lonan Isle of Man
Ann, wife, 43, Jurby(?) Isle of Man
William, son, un, 27, miner lead, Braddon Isle of Man
Richard, son, 20, miner lead, Lonan Isle of Man
James A., son, 16, labour[er], Lonan Isle of Man
Alfred A., son, 9, scholar, Lonan Isle of Man

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Surnames include: FRANCIS in Glamorgan / LANWORN in Monmouth / BLACKMAN, RUSSELL in Sussex / KEARSEY, BARLTROP in Essex / TOOKEY in Leicestershire / LASHMORE in London and Kent / GOODWIN, PASQUE, ATTOE, FISK, QUINTON, RUFFLES, CULLINGFORD and others in Suffolk / MAYOSS anywhere anytime! / GILMORE in Belfast

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Re: How do I find out where someone was born?
« Reply #29 on: Thursday 04 May 06 11:29 BST (UK) »
And further ...

1861 - Kirk Lonan, Isle of Man
RG9/4423 folio 7 page 7
KELLY
William, head, mar, 48, miner, Lonan Isle of Man
Elzabeth, wife, mar, 44, Kendal Westmorland <-----first wife??
John, son, un, 23, miner, Coniston, Lancashire
George W., son, un, 20, miner, Slaughold Isle of Man
William, son, un, 17, washer at mines, Braddon Isle of Man
Elizabeth, daur, 13, scholar, Lonan Isle of Man
Richard, son, 10, scholar, Lonan Isle of Man
James H., son, 6, scholar, Lonan Isle of Man

1851 - Lonan Isle of Man
HO107/2524 folio 431 page 20
KELLY
William, head, mar, 38, leadore miner, Lonan Isle of Man
Elizabeth, wife, mar, 34, England
John, son, 13, mine washer, Conistione [sic] England
George Wm., son, 10, scholar, Slaughold Isle of Man
William, son, 7, scholar, Braddon
Elizabeth, daur, 3, Lonan
Richard, 1 week, Lonan   :D
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Surnames include: FRANCIS in Glamorgan / LANWORN in Monmouth / BLACKMAN, RUSSELL in Sussex / KEARSEY, BARLTROP in Essex / TOOKEY in Leicestershire / LASHMORE in London and Kent / GOODWIN, PASQUE, ATTOE, FISK, QUINTON, RUFFLES, CULLINGFORD and others in Suffolk / MAYOSS anywhere anytime! / GILMORE in Belfast

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Re: How do I find out where someone was born?
« Reply #30 on: Thursday 04 May 06 11:56 BST (UK) »
So if he was one week old in 1851 I assume the census is done in march the same as it is now.  Does anyone know what date?
Nicholson - Hargrave/Raunds
Gates - Hargrave
Miller - Lytham
Kelly/Kelley - Cumbria/Isle of Man
Linnell - Silverstone
Major - Towcester
Martin - Cornwall/Isle of Man
Davy - Cornwall
Ayres - Helmdon
Hall - Rugby/Harborough Magna


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Re: How do I find out where someone was born?
« Reply #31 on: Thursday 04 May 06 12:00 BST (UK) »
The 1851 Census was conducted on 30 March 1851.
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Surnames include: FRANCIS in Glamorgan / LANWORN in Monmouth / BLACKMAN, RUSSELL in Sussex / KEARSEY, BARLTROP in Essex / TOOKEY in Leicestershire / LASHMORE in London and Kent / GOODWIN, PASQUE, ATTOE, FISK, QUINTON, RUFFLES, CULLINGFORD and others in Suffolk / MAYOSS anywhere anytime! / GILMORE in Belfast

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Re: How do I find out where someone was born?
« Reply #32 on: Thursday 04 May 06 12:06 BST (UK) »
So it can be assumed that Richard was born around the 23rd March 1851.  Is that correct.
Nicholson - Hargrave/Raunds
Gates - Hargrave
Miller - Lytham
Kelly/Kelley - Cumbria/Isle of Man
Linnell - Silverstone
Major - Towcester
Martin - Cornwall/Isle of Man
Davy - Cornwall
Ayres - Helmdon
Hall - Rugby/Harborough Magna

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Re: How do I find out where someone was born?
« Reply #33 on: Thursday 04 May 06 15:02 BST (UK) »
That would be reasonable assumption, yes.  Our ancestors had a tendency to misstate their ages in Census returns, but it's hard to imagine this entry being wrong.   :)
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Surnames include: FRANCIS in Glamorgan / LANWORN in Monmouth / BLACKMAN, RUSSELL in Sussex / KEARSEY, BARLTROP in Essex / TOOKEY in Leicestershire / LASHMORE in London and Kent / GOODWIN, PASQUE, ATTOE, FISK, QUINTON, RUFFLES, CULLINGFORD and others in Suffolk / MAYOSS anywhere anytime! / GILMORE in Belfast

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Re: How do I find out where someone was born?
« Reply #34 on: Thursday 04 May 06 15:04 BST (UK) »
Well, since I just transcribed them will post anyway!

RG13/3966/37/28

William MILLER H M 55 - joiner carp - Lanc Lythan
Margaret W M 51 - do Formby
Thomas B son U 25 - house painter - do Lythan
John A son U 19 - bricklayer apprentice - do
Ralph son U 17 - do - do
Henry son 16 - plumber apprentice - do
Elizath A dau 13 - do
Jane BROOKS serv U 15 - gen serv dom - do Formby

Address: 8 Henry St, Lytham, Lancashire

Sometimes it helps to folow both sides of the family as they are often neighbours - after all they had to meet somewhere.

If you had this information, you could have posted it yourself, to save us looking.

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I did have this information, however I have a query on it.

After a bit more delving I've found that Margaret's (in the list) maiden name is brooks.  Is it possible that Jane (the servent) is her sister.  I've found a margaret brooks from formby around the same time and her sister is Jane.
Nicholson - Hargrave/Raunds
Gates - Hargrave
Miller - Lytham
Kelly/Kelley - Cumbria/Isle of Man
Linnell - Silverstone
Major - Towcester
Martin - Cornwall/Isle of Man
Davy - Cornwall
Ayres - Helmdon
Hall - Rugby/Harborough Magna

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Re: How do I find out where someone was born?
« Reply #35 on: Thursday 04 May 06 15:27 BST (UK) »
Just going by the ages, it might seem more likely that the servant is Margarets' niece.

Do you know Margaret's parents' names? Or anything about her background?

It would be a good idea to locate Jane is 1891 if you haven't already?

When you say you have found a Margaret with sister Jane - when was this?  I mean which census or other record?

Let me know what you know & I can have a look if it helps

kind regards, Arranroots  ;)

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SOM: BIRD, BURT aka BROWN - HEF: BAUGH, LATHAM, CARTER, PRITCHARD - GLS: WEBB, WORKMAN, LATHAM, MALPUS - WIL: WEBB, SALTER - RAD: PRITCHARD, WILLIAMS - GLA: RYAN, KEARNEY, JONES, HARRY - MON: WEBB, MORGAN, WILLIAMS, JONES, BIRD - SCOTLAND: HASTINGS, CAMERON, KELSO, BUCHANAN, BETHUNE/ BEATON - IRELAND: RYAN (WATERFORD), KEARNEY (DUBLIN), BOYLE(DUNDALK)