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Berrington Workhouse
« on: Wednesday 12 April 06 23:34 BST (UK) »
Does anyone know where I can access records concerning Berrington Workhouse inmates?  I have found that my grandmother was born there as Ethel Mary Hanlon on 3rd March 1904. 

Her mother was Sarah Ann Hanlon (nee Reynolds) and her father Albert Ashley Hanlon.  I am trying to see if both mother and father were at the workhouse, if the second daughter (Gladys Norah) was also born there in 1906.  Also to find out more about Albert, as he is a mystery man!  He either died or otherwise went away as my great-gran subsequently remarried.

Any leads or links greatly appreciated!

Cheers!
Garry
Cheshire - Breatherd, Habberley, Haddock, Hancock, Hunt, Johnson, Perry, Porter, Rathbone, Senior, Thomason, Warburton, Wilkinson, Wilson, Williams

Lancashire - Forsyth, Haddock, Hanlon

Shropshire & Montgomeryshire - Bore, Davies, Foulkes, Gittins, Habberley, Jones, Lewis, Meyrick, Peel, Reynolds

Staffordshire - Habberley, Mills, Billings, Breeze

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Re: Berrington Workhouse
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 13 April 06 01:02 BST (UK) »
Try this previous thread about 'Berrington' workhouse

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=4f234b1ccfabba2e97618fb7107066bf&topic=50573.msg200811

Marriages Jun 1903
Ashley-Hanlon  Albert    Newcastle T  10b 146   
Ashly-Hanlon  Albert     Newcastle T  10b 146   
HANLON  Albert Ashley     Newcastle T.  10b 146   
Reynolds  Sarah Ann     Newcastle T.  10b 146

Obviously not quite sure of the surname so if you haven't obtained a copy of the marriage certificate it may be well worth getting it to help place Albert.

Did you know there was this birth?

Births Sep 1901
HANLON  Roderick Ashley    Forden  11b 158

Atcham which is where Berrington workhouse actually was is in Forden registration district.

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Re: Berrington Workhouse
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 13 April 06 07:07 BST (UK) »
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Atcham which is where Berrington workhouse actually was is in Forden registration district.
  ??? ???

Valda - can I ask where you found this?!!!!  I only ask because I always thought that Atcham was a registration district in itself.

"Acton Burnell, Alberbury Lower Quarter, Albrighton, Astley, Atcham, Battlefield, Berrington, Bicton, Buildwas (from 1895), Cardeston, Church Preen, Church Pulverbatch, Condover, Cound, Cressage, Eaton Constantine, Fitz, Ford, Frodesley, Great Hanwood, Habberley, Harley, Haughton Demesne, Hughley, Kenley, Leighton, Melverley, Meole Brace (from 1871), Minsterley, Montford, Pitchford, Pontesbury, Preston Gubbals, Ruckley and Langley, Sheinton, Shrawardine, Shrewsbury (from 1871), Stapleton, Sutton, Uffington, Uppington, Upton Magna, Westbury, Withington, Wollaston, Wroxeter."   plus the parish of Criggion from Montgomeryshire.

Jan

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Re: Berrington Workhouse
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 13 April 06 07:42 BST (UK) »
Hi Garry

I am hoping to go to the Shropshire Archives soon and will have a look to see what I can find for your Hanlon family http://www.rootschat.com/links/0cj/

Please bear with me though! I have a huge list of look ups to do which are going to take me quite some time!!!!

Jan
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Re: Berrington Workhouse
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 13 April 06 08:27 BST (UK) »
When you click further information in FreeBMD for Forden up comes

REGISTRATION DISTRICTS IN MONTGOMERYSHIRE
The list below shows the civil registration districts in the county of Montgomery (Montgomeryshire) between 1st July 1837 and 31st March 1930. The same districts were used to compile the censuses returns for the years 1851, 1861, 1871, 1881, 1891 and 1901. Click on a district name to see the places and dates covered.

Atcham
Clun
Dolgelly
Forden
Llanfyllin
Machynlleth
Montgomery
Newtown

So what I should have said is

'Atcham registration district which is where Berrington workhouse actually is, is in an adjacent registration district to Forden district.'

Slip of the typing at 1 in the morning. I was obviously more weary than I thought.

FORDEN REGISTRATION DISTRICT
Registration County : Montgomeryshire.
Created : 1.7.1870 (previously Montgomery district).
Sub-districts : Chirbury; Montgomery; Welshpool.
GRO volumes : 11b (1870-1930).

Parishes in Montgomeryshire (1870-1930):
Aston, Berriew, Castle Caereinion, Castlewright, Churchstoke, Cletterwood, Cyfronydd, Forden, Hope, Leighton, Llandysil, Llanmerewig, Middletown, Montgomery, Rhosgoch, Trelystan, Trewern, Uppington, Welshpool (Pool).

Parishes in Shropshire (1837-1930):
Brompton and Rhiston, Chirbury, Worthen.

Garry
Have you found Sarah on the 1901 census?

Regards

Valda

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Re: Berrington Workhouse
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 13 April 06 08:46 BST (UK) »
These are the Hanlon Forden birth registrations

Births Sep 1901
HANLON  Roderick Ashley    Forden  11b 158   
Births Sep 1903
Hanlon  Gladys May     Forden  11b 161   
Births Mar 1905
Hanlon  John Albert D     Forden  11b 152

These the Atcham birth registrations

Births Mar 1904
HANLON  Ethel Mary     Atcham  6a 629   
Births Dec 1906
Hanlon  Gladys Norah R     Atcham  6a 637

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Valda
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Re: Berrington Workhouse
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 13 April 06 08:51 BST (UK) »
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Slip of the typing at 1 in the morning. I was obviously more weary than I thought
   :) :)

Thanks for the clarification Valda.

Jan
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Re: Berrington Workhouse
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 13 April 06 17:05 BST (UK) »
Hello there, Valda and Jan!!

sorry I have been unable to reply to these excellent replies before now, but I have been at work.  Still, having gotten home and looked at your replies they do help a little for me.  I'll try and reply to all your points and questions as they were raised:

1.  I do have a copy of the marriage certificate for Albert Ashley HANLON and Sarah Ann Reynolds at the Parish Church of St Augustine, Newcastle upon Tyne, on 4th May 1903.  Albert is aged 24, and a photographer.  His father is shown as John Ashely HANLON, photographer (deceased).  Sarah's father's details do tally with her birth on 20th June 1878 to Thomas Reynolds and Mary Meyrick at Mainstone, Bishop's Castle. 
2.  Albert's  name on the marriage certificate does look as though it is hyphenated, hence the multiple entries in the register showing possible variants.
3.  In the 1881 census there are only two Albert Hanlon's.  One is born 1860 in Stafford, and is in Hospital there.  The other is born 1880 in London, the son of a waiter. 
4.  In the 1901 census there are two Albert Hanlon's again - the same one in London, aged 20 and a fitter's mate.  The other this time is aged 24, born in Kirkdale, Liverpool, and is a "commission agent".  He is staying at his father-in-law's house (Mr ASHLEY - most interestingly!!) at Berriew in Montgomeryshire.   
5.  In BMD's, there is an Albert Warburton Hanlon shown born at West Derby, Liverpool, in Dec quarter of 1880, volume 8b page 401.  The only death I can find in this time-frame is Albert Richard Hanlon, aged 48, death registered at Salford, Vol 8d, page 11, March quarter 1907.
6.  The births you show for Ethel and Norah at Atcham are indeed my gran and her sister.  Those at Forden I have not been able to link back to my gran's father Albert Hanlon.
7.  I have a copy of my grandmother's birth certificate which shows her being born 3rd March 1904, workhouse Berrington R.W.  Father Albert Hanlon, photographer.  Mother Sarah Hanlon, shown resident at workhouse Berrington.
8.  Sarah Ann Hanlon later married Pryce Roberts about 1910, and had a daughter Ivy Roberts born about 1912.  I haven't succeeded in finding these events yet!

Concerning Sarah, I have not been able to find her on the 1901 census.  Sarah has a brother John G Reynolds, who in 1901 was living in Liverpool, having married a girl (Margaret E Daley) in 1890, who was born in Newcastle!  I have a pet theory that Sarah may have moved to Liverpool to work, perhaps staying with John and Margaret initially, but perhaps then getting a job in Newcastle through her sister-in-law's family??  Incidentally, both Albert (Ashley) Hanlon and Sarah Ann Reynolds are shown as living at 133 Wingrove Avenue on their marriage certificate.

That's all the information I can offer!  I am unable to find Albert Hanlon or his father on any census return, I have tried searching BMD's for births but to no avail either.  So this is why I want to find out more about this pair!!

Concerning the Berrington workhouse records, I'm trying to find out if Albert was also resident there, and what dates the family were there between.  Also any hint of what happened to Albert Hanlon.

One theory I have is that Albert Hanlon may be the same one as is married to the ASHLEY lass at Berriew in 1901?  Did he perhaps desert her and commit bigamy??

Jan, I'd really appreciate it if you can spare time to look at the Berrington workhouse records in Shrewsbury for me.  I have been meaning to make a visit myself, I have yet to do so because of poor health recently.  But I wasn't sure if the records were held there or not!!

And thank you again Valda for the assistance!

Best Wishes,
Garry Brookes - Preston, Lancashire (UK)
Cheshire - Breatherd, Habberley, Haddock, Hancock, Hunt, Johnson, Perry, Porter, Rathbone, Senior, Thomason, Warburton, Wilkinson, Wilson, Williams

Lancashire - Forsyth, Haddock, Hanlon

Shropshire & Montgomeryshire - Bore, Davies, Foulkes, Gittins, Habberley, Jones, Lewis, Meyrick, Peel, Reynolds

Staffordshire - Habberley, Mills, Billings, Breeze

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Re: Berrington Workhouse
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 13 April 06 17:54 BST (UK) »
I can't see any marriage for the Albert 'married' to Mary nee Ashley in Berriew in 1901. Berriew is in the registration district of Forden.
So presumably this Albert Hanlon and Mary are the parents of

HANLON  Roderick Ashley

born later that same year. (The only time Hanlon and Ashley appear in FreeBMD together apart from the Albert Ashley-Hanlon marriage).

Have you explored these other Hanlon's births registered in Forden to see if they hold similar information to that on your grandmother's birth certificate? If they do it is unlikely Albert was also in the workhouse.

Regards

Valda
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