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Re: Which board for Germany to Austalia ?
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 18 April 06 05:18 BST (UK) »
Yes I had a list of some of the passengers on the Patel but it wasn't complete as the Wenzels weren't on it. I had found it on a web site ages ago and all I can tell you is it was by Diane Cumming (posibly when I was searching for Tasmanian convicts). The site which you recomended is much better and I will be referring to it often
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Re: Which board for Germany to Austalia ?
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 18 April 06 06:49 BST (UK) »
To Liverpool Annie,
No I didn't say any more because I was unsure about German information.
August Heinrich Frederick WENZEL his wife and children arrived Port Adelaide 1845 -from Bremen, Germany. Thank you for answering and the web address which is very good. Unfortunately Wenzels initially
went to Burra Burra mine and that isn't mentioned although many Germans went there.

Thanks again...........Korne

Here it is ... !

http://www.southaustralianhistory.com.au/burra.htm
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Re: Which board for Germany to Austalia ?
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 18 April 06 14:22 BST (UK) »


Hi Korne !!

Thank you for your message ! let's start again OK?

OK ! you got the passenger list! - were you able to download the Naturalisation papers ? and what kind of information did you get ? can you tell us here the kind of stuff you were able to see - ( it helps other people in their research - to be able to see what's available !!)

But what I'd really like you to do - is tell us what you really want ? - do you want information about when August was in Germany ? or do you have that - I'm unsure what it is you really want !!  ::) ::)

I'm so glad you're happy with what you have so far !!

Annie  :) :)

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Re: Which board for Germany to Austalia ?
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 20 April 06 06:21 BST (UK) »
Annie you are being very patient with me.
Re the Naturalisation papers - I haven't worked out how to follow through with the address you gave me - yet. The address is
www.naa.gov.au and has a wealth of information. Some things are digitised
but others have to be ordered. There is a great deal of early Australian history, and the people who made it.
I am trying to find out who Mrs Wenzel was,
back in Germany, as she died in Australia in 1853 and as yet doesn't even have a christian name.
I am unable to read/speak German so it would not help to see BD&M records for that country.
Korne


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bridg(e)man,wales, bristol, berkley
case,weswick,nfk
day,london
nobes,london
rollings goolwa,australia
lockett,portsmouth
driscoll, goolwa, australia
cre(a)mer,goolwa,australia

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Re: Which board for Germany to Austalia ?
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 20 April 06 08:24 BST (UK) »

Hi Korne !

The address I gave you - I had it on the page -  timed out !

So here's how to get the Naturalisation papers

http://www.naa.gov.au/

1. click on record search
2. click on search now
3. in the keywords type in August Wenzel - and press search
4. search results should say 29 matches
5. click on display
6. there are quite a few Wenzels ( some of them may be yours !) -
7. but near the bottom is August Wenzel - set 1/ no 62 folio 7 click on that ( date range 1849-1858 )
8. click on request copy
9. And then they will ask for your information !

His papers may give you the information you're looking for ! - let me know how you do !! I'm excited for you !

Annie  :)
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Re: Which board for Germany to Austalia ?
« Reply #14 on: Friday 21 April 06 02:14 BST (UK) »
Annie  You are being very helpful and I followed the directions you gave, then clicked on 'More Information About This Item'. It cannot be displayed. I am going to try again on a friend's computer, maybe it is mine.
The Naturalisation papers appear to be 'open'.      I may have to go to Adelaide and see them, I wont buy a copy if there is nothing to gain.     
Whatever the results are I will keep you posted.  For the moment I will study the 'other Wenzels'  on that web adress, I have found a connection already.
Korne
potts, hounslow, portsmouth
bridg(e)man,wales, bristol, berkley
case,weswick,nfk
day,london
nobes,london
rollings goolwa,australia
lockett,portsmouth
driscoll, goolwa, australia
cre(a)mer,goolwa,australia

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Re: Which board for Germany to Austalia ?
« Reply #15 on: Saturday 29 April 06 04:33 BST (UK) »
I have been enjoying Rootschat for several months but cannot decide if  I am able to ask questions re German relations who emigrated to Australia.
If I can which board will they be posted on?
I am sure someone will tell me what to do.
                           Korne
Dear Korne (and other interested RootsChatters).  I had been pondering exactly the same question re: where to post messages for immigrants that were not of UK/Eire origins.  I decided to place a post in Emigrants to Australia with a heading: My Prussian/German surname interests - and take it from there.  So far no replies, but many people have read my articles.

I too have a lot of German ancestry, as boatloads of German families came out in the 1850s to the Colony of New South Wales looking for a better life in the promised south lands.

Quite a few of my ancestors: the Webers, the Orths and Voss' being some, came out in 1855 on the ship Daniel Ross.  They had to undergo naturalisation, and were forced to Anglicize their German names.  Most if not all couldn't speak English so the families remained together even though they were not related by blood.

You might try posting a message at http://www.genealogy.com (after you register for free) on one of their genforums, in particular 'GERMANY' and see if you get any replies.  Also check if there is a forum for the particular surname you seek - you never know.

Best of luck in your research.

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Re: Which board for Germany to Austalia ?
« Reply #16 on: Saturday 29 April 06 06:20 BST (UK) »
Hi Korne and everyone,

Korne, go to this page on the NAA website:

http://www.naa.gov.au/the_collection/family_history/immigrants.html

It has all the information about immigration and naturalisation records that you can get from them, and also tells you how to go about ordering them.  You don't have to go to Adelaide to see them (actually, I think the naturalisation papers are held here in the Canberra office) - they will send you a copy.

Hope that helps
 :)
Cheers
Prue

P.S. That page actually says they only have naturalisation records from after 1901, but I know for a fact that they have many earlier records than that.  As you have seen your ancestor's records mentioned on Recordsearch, they are definitely held there.

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Re: Which board for Germany to Austalia ?
« Reply #17 on: Saturday 29 April 06 06:53 BST (UK) »
Hi Korne and everyone,

Korne, go to this page on the NAA website:

http://www.naa.gov.au/the_collection/family_history/immigrants.html

It has all the information about immigration and naturalisation records that you can get from them, and also tells you how to go about ordering them.  You don't have to go to Adelaide to see them (actually, I think the naturalisation papers are held here in the Canberra office) - they will send you a copy.

Hope that helps
 :)
Cheers
Prue

P.S. That page actually says they only have naturalisation records from after 1901, but I know for a fact that they have many earlier records than that.  As you have seen your ancestor's records mentioned on Recordsearch, they are definitely held there.
Hey there PrueM, thanks ... the National Archives is a regular site that I visit.  Unfortunately my German ancestors arrived prior to 1901.  What do I do then?  I'm in Queensland.

Elizabeth ORTH born 1835 Roppershain Hesse Prussia Germany
(parents names: Johann Heinrich Orth and Anna Maria Seigner of Hessen Germany)

Married in 1860 at Bundaberg to Johannes Heinrich WEBER born 1829 Dickshied Hesse Prussia Germany ... so they both must have arrived in Australia prior to 1860.  (his parents names: Anton Weber and Maria Gertrud Debus of Prussia).

Also looking for Frederick Joseph Herman VOSS, children - twins Dor VOSS and Otto VOSS.

I have searched the index to unassisted arrivals NSW 1842-1855 and found them.

Names           Age     Ship   Status Date of Arrival     From Port  Reference / Reel Remarks

VOSS Dor   Daniel Ross   P   27/4/1855   Hamburg   401   Girl
VOSS F J H   Daniel Ross   P   27/4/1855   Hamburg   401   
VOSS Otto   Daniel Ross   P   27/4/1855      Hamburg   401   Boy

Source: http://www.records.nsw.gov.au

But I can't find Fred Voss' wife entry to Australia, Johanna Doratea VOSS nee FLANZE (married 1859 Alshue Germany).  Their first child born in Australia was my gg grandfather, Frederick Voss, born 1856 Gurley Station near Gunnedah NSW.

Can anyone help?  Cheerio for now, Allycat, Qld, Australia.
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