Hugh Douglas + Steam Boats

[Harvey Rabbit]

I am trying to find out more information about Hugh Douglas b1852 Holyhead, Anglesea. He married Annie Brown in 1888 in Bristol. At this time he was a 2nd Steward on a steam boat. I have them married on the 1891 census at 8 Kings Street Avonmouth West Gloucestershire but can not find him single in 1881. 

I would like to know if anyone knows a way of finding out about steam boat crews/boats in 1888 as it might help me trace his whereabouts in 1881......really do not know where to start?? Do such records exist?

Thanks

[krisesjoint]

Hi there fellow Douglas. Dont know anything at all about Steamboats. Just been looking at 71 census and this is the only possible I can c in either England or Wales for Hugh even though it has absolutely nothing to do with the river or the Docks! Bit unspecified actually the son Wm is Store Keeper and the rest of family just line under. scan Enclosed

RG10/3810 ED 15 Folio 144 Page 30 Entry 142
145 St Bean Street
Everton
Lancashire

DOUGLAS Wm Head 58 b Scotland Widow Engine Fitter
DOUGLAS Wm Son 38 b Scotland Unm Store Keeper
DOUGLAS Cath Dau 24 Unm b Holyhead
DOUGLAS Janet Dau 21 Unm b Holyhead
DOUGLAS Hugh Son 19 Unm b Holyhead

Mayb  Kris

[krisesjoint]

1881 census part of above family

 
 Agnes TAIT   Wife (Head)   M   Female   44   Scotland   Husband At Sea     
 Agnes TAIT   Daur      Female   10   Liverpool, Lancashire, England   Scholar     
 Robert TAIT   Son      Male   9   Liverpool, Lancashire, England   Scholar     
 Thomas J. TAIT   Son      Male   3   Liverpool, Lancashire, England       
 Wiliam DOUGLAS   Boarder   U   Male   50   Scotland   Engine Works Timekeeper (Unemployed)     
 Catherine DOUGLAS   Boarder   U   Female   34   Holyhead, Anglesey, Wales   Cook Domestic Serv (Unemployed)     


6 Lansdowne St
Toxteth Park, Lancashire, England
RG11/3639 Folio 49 Page 31
 
 

[krisesjoint]

and this looks like mayb Janet...But alas i cant c anyone who looks at all like Hugh!

 
George CHARTERS Head M Male 32 Scotland Marine Engineer Seaman     
Janet CHARTERS Wife M Female 32 Holyhead Anglesey Wales Marine Engineer Seaman Wife     
Jane CHARTERS Daughter Female 3 Lpool       
John CHARTERS Son Male 1 Lpool       


67 Geraint St
Toxteth Park, Lancashire, England
RG11/3639 Folio 131 Page 32

 

[Harvey Rabbit]

Thank you very much!   

I had already found Hugh in 1871 only last week by asking someone on the Lancashire pages. I did not have the scanned image though so am very grateful for that.  Below is the same family just prior to Hugh's birth on the 1851 census living at Stanley Row in Holyhead, Anglesea.  (Must be the same family)

William Douglas b c1813 Scotland
Catherine Douglas b c1817 Scotland
William Douglas b 1840 Scotland
James Douglas b 1942 Scotland
Andrew Douglas b1845 Scotland
Catherine Douglas b  c1847 Anglesea, Holyhead
Janet Douglas b1849 Anglesea, Holyhead

I had not found the Janet in 1881 though and I was not sure about Catherine and William in 1881 in Lancashire but it all coming together now!

Hugh in 1881 is still a mystery? He must be at sea or not listed for some reason???

Am now looking for the family in 1861 and looking for Catherine Senior's death certificate.

Thanks again

Lindsay Douglas

[krisesjoint]

oh Right Lindsay ...I did wonder when I found the family in 1871 as I noticed there was another Hugh also born Holyhead!...i found him as 22 I think with a 57 year old wife..I had a look and coudnt really read the ages of this couple but decided that they were probably 38 (Hughs age certainly ends in 8 and 37 and they had a son Hugh as well...I wondered if it connected but didnt bother continuing with it till I heard from u...In this transcription I provided from 71 I also could not b sure if William was 30 or 38 . Its way passed ozzie bed time so will have a look 2morro to c if I can find the James and Andrew u mention here but with only Scotland to go on it probably wont b easy. Will get back to u if I find anything else i think may b of interest to u. As u say Hugh is probably away at sea and missed the census cas I tried everything I could think of to find him without success. I did notice the connections with the sea in these possible entries from 1881 also...Must b a Douglas thing my Douglas's were also sailors sadly origins unknown...My ggrandfather Henry Hamilton Doulas an American Midshipman is said to have jumped ship in Durham UK married a Durham Lass and came to Oz a few years later. His Father Was James a sea Captain. Family story has them as from Manhattan New York but alas it has never been proven. I presume they had came from Scotland originally with all the stories of the Black Douglas but we may never really know. Have been unable to locate them in USA unfortunately.. Anyway will get back to u if I find anything I think could be of interest on your Douglas's.
Cheers from Kris (born a Douglas) From South Australia 

[Harvey Rabbit]

All very interesting!
 
I have traced my Douglas line back to the marriage of William Douglas (the head in the above census returns) in Aberdeen in 1839 (he was a Seaman then). I don't know where he was born in Scotland so the trail has run dry. Family rumour has it that we are from 'Black Douglas' origin but have a long way to go to prove that!

Thanks again and good luck with your research.

Lindsay (Deal, East Kent, UK)

[krisesjoint]

I mentioned the Hugh listed as 22 is actually 38 i had a look at 91 and he is 58 then so I was right ...I will send a list of all the male names that may be of interest


Hugh Douglas 19 born Holyhead  
Hugh Douglas 22 born Holyhead Wales  
Hugh Douglas 20 born Liverpool
Hugh Douglas 16 born Liverpool
Hugh Douglas 24  born Ulverston
 
Andrew Douglas 37 born Scotland
Andrew Douglas 25 born Holywell
Andrew Douglas 24 born Edinburgh
Andrew Douglas 23 born Scotland 

James none appear as born Wales!

[krisesjoint]

 
 
James Douglas 50 born Scotland  
James Douglas 32 born Scotland
James Douglas 21 born Scotland  a Soldier 
James Douglas 10 born Scotland
James Douglas 23 Scotland Head  James Douglas 36    
James Douglas 78 born Glasgow, Scotland
James Douglas 24 born Scotland Military Prisoner  (fascinating)
James Douglas 46 born Scotland    
James Douglas 70 born Scotland
James Douglas 39 born Scotland
James Douglas 34 born Edinburgh 
James A Douglas 34 born Arbroath, Scotland
James Alexander Douglas born 45  Perth,   
James D Douglas 24 born Scotland
James H S Douglas 17 born  Midlothian (Edinburgh),
Jas Douglas 14 born Scotland
Jas A Douglas 13 born Scotland

William and James born Scotland or Wales



 
William Douglas 32 born Scotland
William Douglas 52 born Scotland
William Douglas 22 born Scotland Inmate 
William Douglas 68 born Scotland
William Douglas 11 born Scotland
William Douglas 27 born Scotland
William Douglas 14 born Scotland
William Douglas 31 born Scotland
William Douglas 49 born Scotland
William Douglas 64 born Scotland
William Douglas 45 born Glasgow Scotland
William Douglas 55 born Scotland
William Douglas 54 born Dumfries-shire Scotland
William Douglas 41 born Scotland
William Douglas 60 born Scotland
William Douglas 22 born Scotland
William Douglas 39 born Scotland
William Douglas 72 born Berwickshire Scotland
William Douglas 24 born Scotland
William Douglas 45 born Scotland
William G Douglas 18 born Scotland
William J Douglas 23 born Scotland
Wm Douglas 53 born Scotland
Wm Douglas 38 born Scotland
Wm Douglas 57 born Scotland Northumberland   
Wm Douglas 56 born Scotland
William M Douglas 30 born Holyhead Anglesey

Unfortunately I have now really mucked up your thread on Riverboats so u may nead to restart that one Sorry about that..I really should have checked your other threads b4 I answered a Riverboat query with a census entry. Anyway It will sure give u something to look at that is 4 sure. Just give me a hoy if u want more info on any of them

Cheers for now
Kris