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John & George WATSON Lemington
« on: Saturday 06 May 06 23:24 BST (UK) »
John Watson m Catherine GUGGAN 1850 Gateshead district
Mary Ann Watson b Birtley 1842 as dau to John  & Catherine 1851
she m in 1860 saying her father was George Watson! John Watson witnessed the marriage! In 1861 she and husband are with Catherine. Mary Ann died 1869 but her dau was with John & Catherine as Gd Dau on 1871.
Question How can I find John WATSON's birth? Have tied IGI etc to see if there was a brother George How can I find a death for George shortly after Mary Ann's birth we found one Mary Ann in BMD but the father was Bartholemew!
Any ideas would be welcome its a long way to Durham!
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Re: John & George WATSON Lemington
« Reply #1 on: Monday 08 May 06 16:10 BST (UK) »
Trees,

It is probable that best info on the birth of John Watson wiil be obtained from his baptsim. ( although not all were baptised)

His father's name and occupation will be recorded on the marriage certificate of John/Catherine.

John's place of birth will be recorded on 1850 Census and later ones ( In early censuses some enumerators recorded "parish of birth", rather than "birthplace")

This should at least point you in the right direction for John's birth ( Some parish records recorded birth date as well as baptism date, but some did not, )

If John and Catherine were married in a Catholic Church, the priest may have recorded the four parents of the two spouses ( St Patrick's of Felling did in 1850 era)

Also the first names of couples children give clues to the  name of the couple's parents.
 ( English and Irish Naming Pattern rules that the first son of a couple is given the name of the boy's father's father, second son is given his mother's father's name, and so on)

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Re: John & George WATSON Lemington
« Reply #2 on: Monday 08 May 06 17:05 BST (UK) »
Thank you Michael,
on 1851 John is from Lemington, I haven't sent for the Catherine GUGGAN m cert as it is so much after Mary Ann's birth Catherine is consistently from Ireland and GUGGAN has that sort of ring If John is Mary Ann's dad he must have had a previous m. We went to Durham last year and failed to find a John Watson about 1811 in Lemington The 1841 lists no fewer than 8  George WATSONs in Chester Le Street and 17 Johns which I think is the district we need. One looks possible remembering rounding there is a John m to Ann with dau Isabel Mary Ann's ch was Isabel but neither John or Ann b in county They're in Lamsley no occupation. But that still leaves the problem of why MA says f was George on her m? There are 8 deaths for Ann WATSON Chester Le St 1841-51
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Re: John & George WATSON Lemington
« Reply #3 on: Monday 08 May 06 20:21 BST (UK) »

Trees,

So you are not really after the Lemington-birth of John Watson ( Lemington was in the Parish of Newburn in county of Northumberland.... Newburn Parish records are lodged at the Northumberland County Record Office*, with indexes in the Newcastle City Library )

You are trying to find out for certain who was Mary Ann's father... ???

Where was Mary Ann Watson born ? Do you have her birth certificate ? On her marriage cert did she name her dad as George or George Watson ?

( * Northumberland CRO is temporarily closed until end of this year )

FreeBMD site has Catherine as Guggen ( not that that makes much difference)


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MALEY/MELIA/MALLEY  - with or without " O "
Westport Co Mayo. Northumberland
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DIXON
Cumberland.. Brampton, Carlisle, ENGLAND

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Re: John & George WATSON Lemington
« Reply #4 on: Monday 08 May 06 21:55 BST (UK) »
Hi,

I think the best thing you could do would be to obtain Mary Ann Watson's birth certificate.  Then you could establish who her parents were.

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Re: John & George WATSON Lemington
« Reply #5 on: Monday 08 May 06 22:14 BST (UK) »
Michael,
Yes you've got it I really need to prove one way or other what relationship John Watson was to Mary Ann. In 1851 there is a Mary aged 8 with John and Catherine this fits with the 1861 when she is 18 Mary Ann LIDDELL from Birtly with her husband in the same house as Catherine and Catherine's 3 ch no John assuming he was on nights in the mine he reapears on 1871 and as you can see below could well be the witness to MA's marriage as a minor her guardian would have signed

District / No.   255
Marriage solemnized by Banns in the chapelry of Lamesley
in the County of   Durham
When      September 29th 1860

Name      Thomas LIDDELL      X Mary Ann WATSON
Age      full age         under age
Condition      Widower         Spinster
Rank      Collier         -
Residence   Quarry Houses      Quarry Houses
Father      Thomas LIDDELL      George WATSON
Profession   Blacksmith      Collier

Married in the   Chapel
according to   the Rites and Ceremonies of the Established Church
      by me R H Williamson
in the presence of   X John WATSON
(Witnesses)   X Sarah SLATER

Source.      Durham RO 12 Aug 2005

Having failed to find a b for Mary Ann I thought I'd try to find one for John WATSON who from 1851 & 1871 was b 1811 and from then see if there was a brother George.
We have found a family in Newburn with both a John(1785) and George(1785) George m an Isabel and had 5 ch a George 1810 and an Isabella-remember MA had an Isabel -but no John!! could this George have been a George John known as John not to confuse with his Dad and signed the m as he was known John while she correctly gave his "official" name   mm I'm now clutching at straws!
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