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« Reply #18 on: Wednesday 24 May 06 03:30 BST (UK) »


Well see - last year we tried for quite a while on this board to find this man and I got so thoroughly confused - I threw up my hands and decided to start over -

thinking that with a clearer head and a bit more experience etc etc ...... but it's just as bad !!

the man could be anywhere - US - Blackpool who knows !!  :P :P :P

but you Ambly have found the christening ( I don't think I had that - did I ??  ??? ) and at St Judes - the patron Saint of hopeless cases ......... maybe it's an omen !!  ::) ::) ::) ::)

I've already got 2 others in the family - that jumped ship - changed their names - 2 families etc etc !! one more isn't going to make any difference !!

Annie  :) :) :)

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« Reply #19 on: Wednesday 24 May 06 03:49 BST (UK) »


I found this ....... he went to Australia  :P ............ Oh boy !!

John Kemp Lucy       19-Feb   1857       Argus Vic

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« Reply #20 on: Wednesday 24 May 06 04:59 BST (UK) »
Aussie eh?
Hmm.
What about this likely looking lad LEAVING Australia (just in time to go home and make the next baby)?

http://www.access.prov.vic.gov.au/public/PROVguides/PROVguide023/PROVguide023.jsp
Outward Passengers to Interstate, UK, NZ and Foreign Ports 1852-1861
Mr J LUCY  - age 26
Ship WELLESLEY
Depart Victoria   DEC 1859
Destination LONDON

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« Reply #21 on: Wednesday 24 May 06 05:07 BST (UK) »




What IS his game ??

The wife and the in-laws seem to go along with it - don't they ??!! :-\

He doesn't seem to be a convict .......... I don't know !!  :P what else was going on at that time ??
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« Reply #22 on: Wednesday 24 May 06 05:17 BST (UK) »


Oh ! look at this .......... GOLD DIGGINGS !! - here's a list of deserters - my John isn't on there - but I'll post it in case it helps somebody else !!

http://members.ozemail.com.au/~hdharris/deserters.htm

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« Reply #23 on: Wednesday 24 May 06 05:29 BST (UK) »
Hi Annie

Yeah, Gold Diggers - I was thinking about that too......maybe he went to Aussie, collected a few nuggests in his trousers, went home, made a baby, went back, more nuggets....still think he could have been ships crew somehow, though.

I think Argus mention is a Newspaper in Victoria, not a ship.
I'm picking he was mentioned in an 1857 newspaper item - I'd email the webmaster of that site where you got the index item from, they may have more on the source details.

Here's another Aussie  site:
http://www.oldnewscopy.com/newspapers.htm
If you search surname LUCY, there's one result with surname " John & Lucy" no forename - I think it's him on 1859 shipping list and the indexer got bewildered over the name LUCY.....

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« Reply #24 on: Wednesday 24 May 06 06:19 BST (UK) »
Hi Annie

This may be nothing - there's no "Kemp" bit but maybe worth keeping on file of ideas!

http://www.archives.tas.gov.au/
Name Indexes - Convicts
John LUCY on Ship NEPTUNE
Departed 21 Feb 1850 Cape of Good Hope
arrived 05 Apr 1850
Conditional pardon on arrival

Name Indexes - Departures
John Lucy  - Passenger Shamrock 19 Mar 1851
From Launceston TAS  to Melbourne VIC
Had arrived in Colony on Ship: Neptune
Status Conditional Pardon

http://www.rootsweb.com/~austashs/convicts/conships_n.htm

http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/australia/neptune1853.htm
says:  "The British Government made an attempt in 1849 to form a penal settlement at the Cape, but when the ship Neptune arrived at Simon's Bay, with 282 convicts aboard, the citizens declined to supply anything to persons having dealings with her. So strictly was this pledge observed that no food whatever was obtainable, either for the convicts or for the troops. . . In the end the colonists were victorious, and on 21 February 1850, the Neptune set sail for Tasmania."

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« Reply #25 on: Wednesday 24 May 06 06:32 BST (UK) »


woohoo ........... a convict !!  :) :) :) I've been looking for a convict !!  :) :) :)

He would have been about 17 wouldn't he ??

What's a conditional pardon ? - do you know ? - I should just Goggle !!

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« Reply #26 on: Wednesday 24 May 06 17:52 BST (UK) »

OK! ....Conditional Pardon (CP)

A man or woman conditionally pardoned became technically free but could not leave the colony until the expiry of their original sentence imposed in Britain   ::)

Now I suppose I should try and find court papers and see if that's really him ! ... thing is - if he was 17 - he wasn't married yet !!

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