1891/1901 Putney - King family please-Completed Thanks

[Kissimmee]

Found the King family in 1881 at Romford Essex and can see some of them on the 1901 index at Putney.

In 1881 they were
Alfred King 42 Sudbury
Helen 33 Bocking
Mary Jane 14 all the children Romford
Ellen Mabel 12
Alfred Edward 11
Francis John 9
Corrie Louise 6
Pericival Stanley 4
Maud Winifred 2

I think that Helen may have died as I couldn't see her in 1901.

Anything at all on this family would be appreciated
Kissimmee

[Koromo]

Hi

1891  RG12/30/91/9
116 Brompton Rd, Kensington, London
Alfred M King, head, 52, baker & confectioner, b. Sudbury, Suffolk
Helen King, wife, 43, b. Bocking, Essex
E. Mabel King, dau, s, Cashier, b. Bocking Essex
Alfred E King, son, s. 21, Manager of Shop Conf. (baker), b. Romford, Essex
Corrie L King, dau, s, 16, Milliner (dress), b. Romford, Essex
Archer B King, son, 9, scholar, b. Romford, Essex
Bertha H King, dau, 8, scholar, b. Romford, Essex
Dorothy R King, dau, 4, b. London, Middx
Lily E Cowland, servant, s, 15, general servant (dom), b. London, Middx
Emma Johnson, boarder, s, 26, Manageress of Shop (?/Conf.), b. Sudbury, Suffolk
Emma Berry,  boarder, s, 19, shop assistant, b. London, Middx

[Koromo]

1901 RG13/491/80/42
3 Dealhy/Dealtry? Rd, Putney, London
Alfred M King, head, mar, 62, Flour mcht? Baker Confectr, employer, b. Sudbury, Suffolk
Mary J King, dau, s, 36, Flour Mcht's clerk, worker, b. Marylebone, London
Ellen M King, dau, s, 32, Flour Mcht's clerk, worker, b. Bocking, Essex
Maud W King, dau, s, 22, b. Romford, Essex
Archer B King, son, s. 19, Flour Mcht's clerk, worker, b. Romford, Essex

1901 RG13/1824/58/12
St Winifreds, Mundesley, Norfolk
Helen King, wife, mar, 53, b. Bocking, Essex
Corrie L Hafig? dau, mar, 26, b. Romford, Essex
Bertha H King, dau, s, 17, b. Romford Essex
Dorothy R King, dau, 14, b. Brompton, London
Fanny M Stebbings, serv, s, 16, general servant, (domestic), b. Holt, Norfolk


Goodness me! 

FreeBMD: Corrie Louise King married Prince Hafiz of the Abbassides,
Sep qtr 1900, Wandsworth, Vol 1d/1466




Do you think this chap has something to do with it? 

1901 RG13/1532/72/9
67 Jesus Lane, Cambridge, Cambs
Kezia L F Fletcher, head, s, 64, own means, b. Ash, Kent
Anna Maria Fletcher, sister, s, 60, own means, b. Ash, Kent
Bion Reynolds, bro in law, widr, 58, Mathematical Teacher, worker, at home, b. Swanscombe, Kent
Margaret H Lamplugh, niece, s, 21, governess, worker, b. Ash, Kent
Fletcher A A Lamplugh, nephew, s, 23, student, at home, b. Ash, Kent
Helen D Reynolds, niece, s, 20, typist, worker, b. Nottinghill W
Ali Hafiz Bey, boarder, s, 19, student, b. Cairo, Egypt
Annie L Sargent, servant, s, 14, servant domestic, b. Horningsey, Cambs

Note: Bey is a title written after the name, originally Turkish/Ottoman, meaning a leader or chief,
so his actual name is Ali Hafiz. I should imagine that by 1901 it was more of a courtesy title
(indexed as Brey on Ancestry, but the image is Bey).

A bit of a Google:
Abbasid (əba`sĭd, a`bəsĭd) or Abbaside (–sīd, –sĭd), Arab family descended from Abbas, d. 653, uncle of Muhammad the Prophet and of Ali the caliph. ... ... ... The conquests of Jenghiz Khan further lowered the prestige of the Abbasids, and in 1258 his grandson Hulagu Khan sacked Baghdad and overthrew the Abbasid caliphate. The 37th caliph died in the disaster, but a member of the family escaped to Cairo, where he was recognized as caliph.  The Cairo line of the Abbasid caliphate, completely subordinated to the Mamluks, survived until after the Ottoman conquest (1517) of Egypt.

See also: Abbasid Dynasty

Hows about that!!   

However, why do I get the feeling that the marriage might have ended in tears! Ali Hafiz's family may not have taken kindly to him marrying a milliner from London when he was meant to be studying at Cambridge - particularly if the family regarded itself as important within Cairo society. Was the marriage coming to grief by the 1901 census and Corrie's family had congregated at Mundesley for support?

On the other hand, I may be maligning them, and they lived together happily for ever after. 

Cheers
Koromo

[Koromo]

I can't see Francis John King anywhere.


FreeBMD: Percival Stanley King, died Dec qtr 1882, aged 5, Romford Vol 4a/136


1901  RG13/74/122/11
6 Symons St, Chelsea, London
Alfred E King, head, mar, 31, baker manager (bread), worker, b. Romford, Essex
Hannah M King, wife, 24, b. St Mary Cray, Essex
Ethel M Tubb, serv, s, 17, general dom. worker, b. Hurlington, Middx

[Kissimmee]

My goodness Koromo,
It is all too much for my little brain box.  I am going to have to make myself a cuppa and sit down and slowly digest your findings and come back with my comments later - what a pity that I do not drink the hard stuff think I could do with a tot.
Thanks you for all your hard work
Kissimmee

[Kissimmee]

Well what can one say to top that!  I am still trying to get me head around it.  Maybe with a surname of King he thought she was royalty.  Can't wait for the 1911 to come out to see if Ali is kneeding dough at the baker's shop.

The split family in 1901 is another mystery.   Maybe Alfred told his wife if she didn't like the heat from the ovens to get out.  This is the most interesting branch I have all the rest seem to be ag labs or suchlike.

Kissimmee

[Koromo]

Hi Kissimmee

I had so much fun finding out about your King family! They will make a very interesting topic of conversation even with members of your own family who might not be all that interested in your genealogical sleuthing!

In 1901 the addresses of the households on either side of Helen King and the three girls in Mundesley are as follows:

Cromer Road
St Edwards
St Winifreds
Ozone Villas

Googling around, I found that St Winifreds in Mundesley is now described as a "spacious Victorian House 150 yards from sandy beach" which has been converted into two holiday apartments, etc, etc. and from the accompanying (modern) map it is right on the sea front near Cromer Road. It may well have been a guest house where people stayed for a few days/weeks to take in the sea air in the 1900s. Of course we don't know how long the King family stayed there.

I can't find a picture of it, but this is a description of St Winifreds today: http://www.britinfo.net/T/1120043.htm
... plus a couple of photos of Mundesley beach - it definitely looks like yer typical Victorian seaside resort.







What I find amusing is trying to picture the marriage registrar getting the spelling right for "Prince Hafiz of the Abbassides" and fitting it on the certificate!! It had to have been a registry marriage if your Ali was descended from the uncle of the Prophet Muhammed.

Do let me know if you ever find out more - I'm really intrigued. 

Best regards
Koromo

[Koromo]

... and one more of Mundesley beach taken in 1892.

[Kissimmee]

Hi Koroma,
I can understand you getting hooked on this one.  Only wish that it was a direct line and not a distant side shoot.  Would love to send for the marriage certificate to see his father's name but with the cost of certificates I could spend the money better buying one that would help me get further.
Can't believe how much you have found out for me.  Feel a lot better thinking that Helen and the girls where on an holiday and hadn't left Alfred. Looking at the beach wouldn't mind a stroll along the prom myself is the sun was out.
When I told sister Supernan she said she always knew we descended from Royalty told the other half and he was unimpressed and cut across with "Wonder if it is going to rain today?"  That man's got no soul or just hates family history.
Thanks for all the fun and mystery of this one
Kissimmee
Ps your latest photo of the beach in 1892 has just come through - love the changing huts on wheels.  Have a photo of the mother in law who was born in 1895 stepping out of one of those into the sea