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Offline Annette Witherby

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Helen Martin in Girthon
« on: Friday 26 May 06 07:00 BST (UK) »
Would anyone be able to locate for me Helen MARTIN.
Born abt. 1851 in Urr.

I last have her on the 1881 census in Cross Street, Girthon.
She is a Widow, her husband was James Martin.

She is living with her sisters:
Mary BEATTIE and son, James
Jane BEATTIE
Jemima BEATTIE
Mary Ellen BEATTIE, Niece
William BEATTIE, Nephew

Any help would be appreciated.   Annette
Beattie & Sinclair,  Scotland
Hydes/Hides, Southan, Kay, Broughton, Stenton - Yorkshire.  Southan, NZ & USA.

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Re: Helen Martin in Girthon
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 20 June 06 08:41 BST (UK) »
The nearest is :

Carlaverock, Dumfries, 24 DEc 1851 to Alexander Martin and Helen, nee Cobban.

There are no others around that time (+/- 3 years) in the region

There seems to be no sign of her on censuses after the one you mention. I have also checked for marriages and deaths - nothing as yet  ???

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Re: Helen Martin in Girthon
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 20 June 06 09:40 BST (UK) »
Hi!   We may have corresponded before.
I am not related to your Beattie/Martins but I live in Gatehouse of Fleet and take a great interest in local history.
James Martin married Helen Beattie in 1869
In 1870 James died.
Helen's father was a shoemaker in Dalbeattie and James may have come from a family of shoemakers in Penninghame (Newton Stewart)
You may know all this already. Let me know if I can help further.  Mary
Kirkcudbrightshire : McMurray/ie, Haining, Hanning, McAdam, McClune.
Ayrshire: Livingstone
East Lothian: Anderson

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Re: Helen Martin in Girthon
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 20 June 06 10:15 BST (UK) »
I think that there is a slight mix up of surnames here  :(
 
Helen was Helen Beattie, she appears to have married James Martin in Girthon ion 13th September 1869.

Helen Beattie was 22, a domestic servant, living at Digby St, Girthon. Her parents were: James Beattie, clogmaker, (deceased) and Mary William, formerly Beattie, maiden surname Welsh.

and James Martin, ag. lab, 24, living at Gordon St, Anworth. His parents were: James Martin, ag lab and Mary martin, maiden surname Davidson.

I shall now see if I can find Helen Martin in the post 1881 censuses.

Added - nothing in Censuses, marriages or deaths after 1881.


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Re: Helen Martin in Girthon
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 20 June 06 11:02 BST (UK) »
  To Gadget. Yes, I gave James Martin the wrong parents but otherwise I think we are in accordance.
I have found Helen's death
1932 in Dumfries Infirmary aged 82.  Usual address Carsluith (parish of Kirkmabreck)
Kirkcudbrightshire : McMurray/ie, Haining, Hanning, McAdam, McClune.
Ayrshire: Livingstone
East Lothian: Anderson

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Re: Helen Martin in Girthon
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 20 June 06 11:25 BST (UK) »
Thanks - this confirms her parents, mentioned on the marriage cert. She was 82, cause of death senility. ususal residence: West Cottage, Carsluith.
Maybe she was in Wigtownshire in the 1891-1901 censuses  ???

Some of my ancestors (Carsons) came from Kirkmabreck  :)

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Re: Helen Martin in Girthon
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 20 June 06 11:50 BST (UK) »
Found her in 1891

GROS REf - 866/00003/00001
Victoria St, Gatehouse of Fleet, Girthon

Jemima Beattie, 33 or 38, Unm, shellfish dealer, b. Dalbeattie

her 3 sons William, Robert and Thomas

AND

Ellen Martin, sister, wid, 37, shellfish dealer, b. Dalbeattie
with daughter
Elizabeth Martin, neice of Jemima, 5, b. Gatehouse

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Re: Helen Martin in Girthon
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 20 June 06 11:54 BST (UK) »
In 1901

GROS REf  858/00006/00002
Chapelton Cottage, Borgue

Home of James and Margaret Wright:

Ellen Martin, 47, Visitor, wid, Housekeeper (dom), b. Urr

What happened in the next 31 years  ???

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Re: Helen Martin in Girthon
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 20 June 06 12:05 BST (UK) »
Interesting that she had a daughter in 1885 when her husband died in 1870. Perhaps Helen spent her declining years with her daughter.
Which Carsons are yours in Kirkmabreck?  you are spoiled for choice in 1841!
I have a many-greats grandmother Margaret Carson in Girthon (born c. 1690) There are still several Carson families in this area.
Kirkcudbrightshire : McMurray/ie, Haining, Hanning, McAdam, McClune.
Ayrshire: Livingstone
East Lothian: Anderson