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Re: EDWARD HENRY COLLINGWOOD, DEATH C. 1872
« Reply #45 on: Sunday 18 September 16 23:57 BST (UK) »
I have corrected the transcribed mistakes from the archive document of 1823. The wording is in the tense as written originally.

https://archive.org/stream/cihm_37593/cihm_37593_djvu.txt
page 258

*The Victory, 1744, here, is of course an earlier ship of the same name and not Nelson's flag-ship of which Francis Edward Joined at Spithead one month before Trafalgar......

FRANCIS EDWARD COLLINGWOOD, Esq.

Is descended from a very ancient family, the CoUingwoods,
of Eslington, co. Northumberland, led by their attachment to the House of Stuart, suffered a great reverse of fortune, in 1715. His grandfather, Edward, successively  master- attendant of the dock-yards at Plymouth, Portsmouth, Chatham, and Deptford, (the first person of the name  of Collingwood whom we find mentioned in our naval annals),  sailed round the world, as midshipman, with Anson, by whom  he was ever afterwards patronised, and was master of the  *Victory, first rate, flag- ship of Admiral Sir John Balchen, a  short time previous to her loss, in Oct. 1744 *.

 On the 3d Oct, 1744, the fleet under Sir John Balchen, then returning home from Gibraltar, encountered a violent storm, in which several  of the ships were much shattered. On the 4th, the "Victory separated  from her consorts, and was never more heard of. It is supposed that she  struck upon a ridge of rocks off the Caskets ; as from the testimony of  the men who attended the lights, and the inhabitants of the island of (GIBRALTA)
 
Mr. F. E, CoLLiNGWooD, only son of Francis Collngwood,  of Greenwich, Esq., by Sarah, sister to the hite Captain  Thomas Richbell, K. N., chief magistrate of the Thames  Police, was born at Milford, co. Pembroke 1785 and entered the royal navy, as midshipman on board the  America  commanded by his **uncle-in-law, the late Vice-Admiral Sir William Parker,  and subsequently served in the Pheasant sloop, Beaulieu and Alligator  frigates. Elephant and Victory of 100 guns, the latter  ship bearing the flag of the immortal Nelson, whose death he  avenged by shooting the French rifleman who had, after repeated attempts, succeeded in mortally wounding that illustrious hero at the ever memorable battle of Trafalgar. During  that tremendous conflict, he was sent from his quarters on  the poop, where the carnage was most dreadful, with a few  men, to assist in extinguishing a fire on board the French 74-  gun ship, le Redoubtable, which service he performed in a  manner highly satisfactory to his captain, the present Sir  Thomas M. Hardy. His promotion to the rank of lieutenant  took place on the 22d Jan. 1806.

After serving for some time in the Queen, flag-ship of  Lord Collingwood, and Bahama 74, one of the Spanish ships  captured off Trafalgar, this officer was appointed to the. Pallas  in which frigate we find him present, under the command of Captain (now Sir George F.)Seymour, at the destruction of five French men-of-war, in Aix Roads, April 12th, 1809  In the ensuing summer, he accompanied the  grand expedition sent against Antwerp, and was constantly  employed, in guard boats and on shore, during the occupation  of Walcheren. His next appointment was, Dec. 13th, 1809,  to be first lieutenant of the Iris 30, in M'hich ship he continued for a period of five years.

Alderney, many guns were heard on the nights of the 4th and 5th, but  the weather was too tempestuous to hazard boats out to their assistance. In this ship perished near one thousand men, besides fifty volunteers,  sons of the first nobility and gentry in the kingdom.
The Iris was principally employed in co-operation with the  patriots on the north coast of Spain, where Lieutenant Collingwood appears to have been a constant volunteer for boat  and shore service; and on many occasions obtained the particular approbation of Captain Sir George Collier, senior  officer of the squadron on that station.

 In  Nov. 1814, Mr. Coliingwood was appointed first lieutenant of the Niger, Captain Peter Rainier, under whom he served  for a short time on the Cape of Good Hope station. In December 1820, he obtained the command of the Kite revenue cruiser,  employed on the coast of Ireland, where he continued for the  usual period of three years.

During this time he had two  ribs and his breast bone fractured, was wounded by a pike
through the leg, and received two severe contusions on the  head, hie was also washed overboard in a heavy gale of  wind, and must have perished, all his boats having been previously lost, had not a following sea thrown him on the  square-sail brace, to which he clung until assisted in-board.

His promotion to the rank of commander took place January 15th, 1828.

This officer married, in May 1822, Ellen second daughter of the late Rev. Samuel Collis, of Fort William, co. Kerry, ly whom he has several children. His only surviving sister  was wife the of Dr. J. D. Burke, late surgeon of H. M. dockyard at Pembroke, and is now the widow of the Rev. Hugh
Taylor. .


 

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Re: EDWARD HENRY COLLINGWOOD, DEATH C. 1872
« Reply #46 on: Wednesday 21 September 16 00:23 BST (UK) »


Nelson's avenger
Pollard or Collingwood?.....{ Nelson, whose death he  avenged by shooting the French rifleman who had, after repeated attempts, succeeded in mortally wounding that illustrious hero at the ever memorable battle of Trafalgar. During  that tremendous conflict, he was sent from his quarters on  the poop, where the carnage was most dreadful, with a few  men, to assist in extinguishing a fire on board the French 74-  gun ship, le Redoubtable, which service he performed in a  manner highly satisfactory to his captain, Sir  Thomas M. Hardy.}

Why was Collingwood named in the 1823 journals(above-previous) with no mention of Pollard? Surely these accounts closer to the time would be more accurate?



Why was Collingwood depicted in Arthur Devis' famous painting The Death of Nelson and not Pollard?
http://www.rmg.co.uk/discover/explore/death-nelson

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Death_of_Nelson,_21_October_1805

Persons depicted
Reverend Alexander Scott, Nelson's chaplain, rubbing his chest to help relieve the pain
Victory's purser Walter Burke, supporting the pillow.
Nelson’s steward, Chevalier, looking towards Beatty
William Beatty, ship's surgeon, who feels Nelson’s pulse and is about to pronounce him dead
Captain Thomas Hardy, standing behind Nelson
Midshipman Collingwood and Lieutenant Yule (rear left and left), with a pile of captured enemy flags being brought in by a seaman
Guitano, Nelson’s valet, standing in right profile in front of Collingwood, holding a glass from which Nelson took his last sips of water
Victory’s carpenter, Mr Bunce, stands on the far right above Bligh
Lieutenant George Miller Bligh, the dazed and wounded figure far right, below Bunce
Assistant Surgeon Neil Smith seated far right


Why did Pollard wait decades after Collingwood died to question his part in shooting Nelsons killer?

http://www.aboutnelson.co.uk/19avenger.htm

It was not long before there were only two Frenchmen left alive in the mizen-top of the Redoutable. One of them was the man who had given the fatal wound: he did not live to boast of what he had done. An old quarter-master had seen him fire; and easily recognized him, because he wore a glazed cocked hat and a white frock. This quarter-master, and two midshipmen, Mr Collingwood and Mr Pollard, were the only persons left on the Victory's poop; - the two midshipmen kept firing at the top, and he supplied them with cartridges. One of the Frenchmen attempting to make his escape down the rigging, was shot by Mr Pollard, and fell on the poop. But the old quarter-master, as he cried out "That's he, that's he",  and poInted at the other, who was cornIng forward to fire agaIn, receIved a shot  in his mouth, and fell dead. Both the midshipmen then fired, at the same time, and the fellow dropped in the top. When they took possession of the prize, they went into the mizen-top and found him dead; with one ball through his head and another through his breast.

Thus, in the lifetime of the officers concerned, the credit of being the "Avenger of Nelson" was given jointly to John Pollard and Francis Edward Collingwood. Collingwood was promoted Lieutenant 22 January 1806, and Pollard 14 Novem ber 1806. Collingwood became a Commander in 1828, and in Marshall's notice it is stated that he was at Trafalgar with Nelson "whose death he avenged by shooting the French rifleman who had . . . mortally wounded that illustrious hero". Commander Collingwood was alive when Marshall's volume was published in 1835, but he died in the same year. Pollard was still a Lieutenant; after being invalided in 1814 whilst the war was still on, he remained on half-pay till 1828 when he received a three-year appointment in Chatham dockyard; and after another five years' half-pay, he was appointed a Lieutenant in the Coast Guard in 1836.


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Re: EDWARD HENRY COLLINGWOOD, DEATH C. 1872
« Reply #47 on: Friday 23 September 16 23:48 BST (UK) »
http://artuk.org/discover/artworks/the-death-of-nelson-21-october-1805-173404

On the left of the picture are Lieutenant John Yule and Midshipman Francis Edward Collingwood who is shown head and shoulders to the left, mainly obscured by the figure in front of him. He helps a sailor to handle some captured flags. Since he was a volunteer he has no uniform, but wears a midshipman's coat without the patch.

http://en.wahooart.com/@@/9CVUAD-Arthur-William-Devis-The-Death-Of-Nelson-


Gaetano Spedillo, Nelson's Neapolitan valet, is shown full-length in profile to the right, in a brown coat and holding a glass in his left hand. His lower limbs are obscured by a figure in the foreground of the left of the painting of the group around the dying Nelson. On the right are Lieutenant George Miller Bligh and Assistant Surgeon Neil Smith. Bligh is half hidden by a marine in the foreground. He is shown half-length seated, facing to the left, apparently dazed from a wound in his head, wearing a lieutenant's full-dress coat, 1787-1812, with his left hand on the wound in his side. Looking towards the dying Nelson, in the right background, stands the ship's carpenter, William Bunce, slightly masked by Smith and Bligh. He is almost full-length to the left in profile wearing a warrant officer's uniform, natural coloured breeches and holds his hat in his right hand. Painted two years after the event, this complex painting concentrates on the human response of the men involved in this important event in the life of the nation. To evoke this, the artist has incorporated portraiture with the imagery of Renaissance religious painting, bathing Nelson in a golden light.
Read more at http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/14367.html#Xwo3Aj4YiHVpEVOM.99

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Re: EDWARD HENRY COLLINGWOOD, DEATH C. 1878
« Reply #48 on: Sunday 30 October 16 21:23 GMT (UK) »
Captain William Kydd - crew members

https://goo.gl/5cequ5

Edward Colliness
John Collings
Phillip Conninghame

These are three members of William Kidd's crew. I make no excuse or fanciful claims that any of our ancestors sailed with Kidd but many so called pirates were in fact hired as privateers, a legal term used to plunder for the Realm. Family men and fathers and sons or brothers often joined up for a chance to make a one off trip to a fortune ! And as long as they were sailing as privateers, it was legal....according to the realm that often financed these missions.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/handcousins/message/6821

Most people were illiterate and couldn't even spell their own names. Seafarers, EMBARKING
on a get rich quick journey with promises of a share of the 'bounty' of a PRIVATEER, often did so with a certain amount of caution should their captain (and therefore , crew) be outlawed?
IT wasn't unusual for crew to enlist using a synonym or a slight change of name, just in case they jumped ship in some obscure port or transferred to a homeward bound ship of which some did change from Kidd's Adventure Galley to escape sure prosecution for Kidd's illegal plundering of friendly ships. It has been recently suggested that Kidd was financed by the Realm and Lords in high places to capture booty from ships carrying plundered treasures of the Knights Templar> and is hidden somewhere off St Marie, Madagascar?

Most people that could not write or spell often used 'x' or partial spelling of the name!
Collingwoods, Collingsworths often shortened to plain Collins or Collings.

 I have never heard of Colliness or Conninghame , yet three crew members Edward Colliness, John Collings and Philip Conninghame sailed with KIDD?  Were they were related brothers or father and sons? I also believe these three were bogus and used spur of the moment names to shield their identities..albeit conspicuous by their similarity to  Collingwood

Were these three stalwarts really related or akin to John Collingwood that married Mary Barker at St.Dunstans, in 1697 ? Or was he one of the three bogus crewmen?
Did he change ship and return to England by request of KIDD for those that feared prosecution?  There is evidence that some of the crew changed to an illegally plundered 'friendly' merchant ship off the West Coast of Africa after KIDD killed William Moore with a wooden bucket, in disgust at Kidd's crime (for which he was eventually hanged)
Did he witness the execution of KIDD at Wapping in 1701 ?
Many fanciful questions but with more research we may learn more.


Edward Henry's GREAT GREAT Grandfather could have sailed with William Kidd, got his pirates 'share' and profited to good purpose.

Edward Henry is my direct GREAT GREAT Grandfather .


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I believe that John Collingwood that married Mary Barker at St.Dunstans, of Farting Fields, Wapping in 1697 and was the first of the Collingwoods to be mentioned at St Dunstons and may be John the Sawyer's (1737-1796) grandfather (the father Edward John Collingwood is listed as an upholsterer- ships outfitter that became a master mariner), These were favourable times in the early 1700's for crews of privateers to finance a more lucrative future for themselves and their decendents

I've located a list of names for Captain Kidd's crew.
 The list is extracted below at the end of this posting (and alphabetised) and can also be found at the following source:

SOURCE:
Sponsor: Institute of Historical Research
Publication: Calendar of State Papers Colonial, America and West Indies
Author: Cecil Headlam (editor)
Year published: 1910
Pages: 190-205
Contents: April 1700
Citation: 'America and West Indies: April 1700, 21-25', Calendar of
State Papers Colonial, America and West Indies: 1700, volume 18
(1910), pp. 190-205.
URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=71340.
Date accessed: 26 October 2008.

There are also biographical details of some of the crew at Appendix II of:
Treasure and Intrigue: The Legacy of Captain Kidd
By Graham Harris
Published by Dundurn Press Ltd., 2002
ISBN 1550024094, 9781550024098
348 pages
Limited preview available through Google Books search.

~~~~~~~~~~~
Copy of articles of agreement between Capt. William Kidd, Commander of
the good ship Adventure, and John Walker, Quartermaster. Sept. 10,
1696.... Signed, William Kidd. Subscribed and agreed to by the ship's
company;

https://goo.gl/5cequ5


Edward Henry is my direct GREAT GREAT Grandfather .


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Re: EDWARD HENRY COLLINGWOOD, DEATH C. 1872
« Reply #49 on: Sunday 30 October 16 22:13 GMT (UK) »
Correction and an addition to my last post *

I believe that John Collingwood that married Mary Barker at St.Dunstans, of *Farting* Fields, Wapping in 1697 and was the first of the Collingwoods to be mentioned at St Dunstons and may be John the Sawyer's (1737-1796) grandfather (the father Edward John Collingwood is listed as an upholsterer- ships outfitter that became a master mariner), These were favourable times in the early 1700's for crews of privateers to finance a more lucrative future for themselves and their decendents

Of course it should read Farthing Fields...not Farting, ha ha
I would add that the old Farthing Fields that no longer exists was in proximity to the old original London Dock and Tobacco Dock in Wapping, just a short walk. Here came many of the old Pirate and Privateer ships to disembark crew and cargo. The cargo then could be taken to one of the many warehouses for auction. Often the real owners would bid for their own goods' return at the then famous John Lee Warehouse that eventually became known as the Corn Exchange.
John Collingwood, mariner of Farthing Fields, married Mary Barker in 1697 may have trotted along to Wapping Wall to witness the execution of Captain Kidd in 1701. If he was part of the crew he would have had two years grace to re-settle and maybe come back to London incognito, ready for one of the most significant trials and executions of the times. For hereon the fortunes of their decendants dwindled somewhat over the next 140yrs...the Collingwoods became just ordinary seamen, dockers, stevedores, shipwrights. No longer master mariners they just changed with the times from sail to engine powered ships. The days of the big booty payouts were over. Now came the Unions. Duncan Dunbar was instrumental in abolishing the 'pirates share'... one sixty/ fourth of the bounty shared among the crew was still prevalent in the 1820's.
The traditions of the sea led to today's Unions and the dockers'-stevedores' tradition of the 'ganger' picking his eight men to 'unload this ship'stemmed from the first mate having potential crew men of pirate ships line up on the dockside with a 'special ticket' purchased privately and vetted by a serving family member. "Show your ticket, no ticket, no sail"
The docker's ticket and the unions were born.

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*John Law's Warehouses
« Reply #50 on: Sunday 20 November 16 16:50 GMT (UK) »
Another correction *John Lee Warehouses......should have read John Law's warehouses, that eventually became the site of the Corn Exchange

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Re: EDWARD HENRY COLLINGWOOD, DEATH C. 1872
« Reply #51 on: Monday 26 December 16 18:49 GMT (UK) »
https://goo.gl/5cequ5

I've located a list of names for Captain Kidd's crew.

SOURCE:
Sponsor: Institute of Historical Research
Publication: Calendar of State Papers Colonial, America and West Indies
Author: Cecil Headlam (editor)
Year published: 1910
Pages: 190-205
Contents: April 1700
Citation: 'America and West Indies: April 1700, 21-25', Calendar of
State Papers Colonial, America and West Indies: 1700, volume 18
(1910), pp. 190-205.
URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=71340.
Date accessed: 26 October 2008.

There are also biographical details of some of the crew at Appendix II of:
Treasure and Intrigue: The Legacy of Captain Kidd
By Graham Harris
Published by Dundurn Press Ltd., 2002
ISBN 1550024094, 9781550024098
348 pages
Limited preview available through Google Books search.

~~~~~~~~~~~
Copy of articles of agreement between Capt. William Kidd, Commander of
the good ship Adventure, and John Walker, Quartermaster. Sept. 10,
1696.... Signed, William Kidd. Subscribed and agreed to by the ship's
company;

Samuel Aires
Hendrick Albert
James Alger
Isaac Ambros
William Arnett
Henry Bainbridge
Govert Baners
Richd. Basnet
Charles Bathurst
Wm. Beck
James Betles
Archibal. B. Bohanan.
George Bollen
William Bowyer*
Wm. Bowyer, senr*
Robert Bradinham
Samuel Bradley
Harculis Bredsteed
John Browne
Edward Buckmaster
Joseph Budden
Harman Buger
John Burton
Michael Calloway
Andrew Calwell
James Carr
David Carsson
Humphry Clay
Robert Clem
Clexfflders (sic)***
Edward Colliness**
John Collings*
Jacob Conklin
Phillip Conninghame**
Jacob Cornelijs
Aba. Coucher
Hendrickus Cregier
John Davis
John de Mart*
Jan de Roodt*
Peter de Roy*
Simon de Woolf*
Isaac Dernes
Patrick Dinmer
Noah East
Mich. Evens
Henry Everts
Peter Fewlo
John Finely
John Fletcher*
Thomas Fletcher*
John Fling
Benjamin Franks
Ery Geyselar
Alex. Gordon
Edward Graham
Peter Hammond
Morgan Harriss
Barnet Higgins
Joseph Hill
Thomas Hobson
William Holden
Jacob Horran
James How*
Andrew How*
William Hunt*
Robert Hunt*
John Hunt, jun*
John Hunt, senr*
Andries Jeaniszen
Nicholas Jennings
John Jonson
John Kemble
Walter King
Peter Lee
Gabriel Loffe
Bernard Looman
John Marten
Henry Meade
Alexander Milberry
Ebenezar Miller
Daniel Mokoricke*
**William Moore (murdered by KIDD of which he was hanged in 1701)
David Mullings
Alex. Mumford
Neschen
Henry Olive
Yoer Oovrall
Cornelius   Orvyn
Joseph Palmer
John Parerick, negro
John Pears
William Percy
Henry Pieterson
Thomas Purdeg
(Quarter-master)
Edward Roberts*
John Roberts*
Peter P. Rouse
William Rowls
Robert Ruderford
Aldris Saerdenbreech
Henry Sanders
George Sinkler
William Skines
John Smith *
English Smith*
Robert Smithers*
Jan Spons
Edward Spooner
Casper Spreall
Ellis Strong
George Tarpole
Samuel Taylor
John Torksey
Nicholas Tredgidgen*
Jonathan Tredway*
Nicholas Tuder*
William Turner
John Warker*
Hugh Washington
John Watson
William Weakum*
Wm. Wellman
John West
William Whitley
John Wier
Wm. Willdey, junr*
Richd. Willdey, senr*
Tho. Wright

Many names appear to be either spelt wrongly or may just be bogus to hide true identities.
I have highlighted ** those that imo are suspect AND those which are/or seem to family groups in for a one-off fortune?

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Re: EDWARD HENRY COLLINGWOOD, DEATH C. 1872
« Reply #52 on: Tuesday 21 March 17 23:59 GMT (UK) »
I am currently researching how the Collingwoods branched out from Newcastle, Durham and migrated to the Dock areas of London. Moving with new developments ie The closing of the West India Docks in Wapping and insurgence of the East India Docks. Also how/why didig the Collingwood line mostly lost the 'golden' touch and just becamefs working dockers,shipwrights, stevedores or just ordinary seamen.
There were 16 Collingwoods that became High Sheriffrs and many that were Master Mariners. The English Civil War produced many loyal to the English cause but also many traitors oor warr those that feared of being accused of such......Many fled and took to the sea and abroad, many innocents fled also. Some that owned their own merchant sailing ships lived in fear of the Admiralty commandeering their ships for war....and drifted into obscurity and possible piracy or slavers. Many questions.....?

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Re: EDWARD HENRY COLLINGWOOD, DEATH C. 1872
« Reply #53 on: Monday 01 May 17 19:20 BST (UK) »
EDWARD HENRY COLLINGWOOD, 1817 - 1878

     
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 Died from fever from exposure while fixing storm damage on Dharwar

http://goo.gl/eI3gTr



This year marks the 200th year of the birth of Edward Henry Collingwood died 24th Oct 1878 in Old Hong Kong.