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Edward Henry's descendants -
« Reply #54 on: Wednesday 17 May 17 15:52 BST (UK) »
Edward Henry Collingwood's youngest son.

My great grand father
Alfred Daniel Collingwood-1st. 1849 - 1921 least known of our family, he was too young for the Crimean war and a bit past it for the Boer War..and definitely on his uppers by the First WW. He did his national service and worked the East India Docks and was the first of the Collingwoods to become a stevedore. It was thought he got a souvenir from the 'Buffalo Bill Wild West Show' when it came to London in 1887 to coincide with Victoria's Jubilee, an Apache arrow in a sheaf, yes you've guessed made by Sittting Bull himself ? (probably mass produced), but his son (my grand dad) had it hanging above 'THE THIN RED LINE' with some other artifacts from the Zulu Wars. It is known that he also tried his hand at 'going to sea'...he died around 1921.

These old Collingwoods, they loved the sea. Myself, i hate the sea ever since i swam on top of the water from an attacking Great White off Barbados. I swear i was on top of the water going faster than than the shark, screaming , only to be told by the larfing spectators s that the 'shark' was a large cluster of seaweed carried by the fast current.

My grandfather
Alfred Daniel Collingwood-2nd.  1879- 1949. Was apprenticed blacksmith at 14, for the East India Company 'yards. Was active in the Boer War S.Africa campaign. "The Thin Red Line" adorned his passage hallway, which i saw and still remember as 5 year old kid just before he died in 1949. This painting was his pride and joy as he was one of them.  He took up his father's 'ticket' and worked as a stevedore. He was never in any one job for long and tried his hand at many trades including 'engine driver' a more colourful description for a 'stoker' going to sea a few times. Lived at various addresses in Poplar, Cawdor St, Ellerthorpe St, Abbott Rd, Dee St, Aberfeldy St and died at Alton St. next to Alton St Infants School, which i attended as a five year old.

My Father
Alfred Daniel Collingwood-3rd.  1913- 1965
Well, my own father died very young at 52yrs, he was a Stevedore in the Royal Albert Docks from 1947 - 1955.
He never spoke much of his ancestors and i guess, i know more about them than he did. He did his army national service in 1931 and volunteered for the Merchant Navy when war broke out

My father lived with my mum at Aberfeldy St as newly weds, when it was destroyed by German bombing. My dad was at sea and mum was in an air-raid shelter with my sister. My mum got a telegram from the Admiralty "October 1942 -Alfred Daniel Collingwood -missing presumed dead-converted whaler Sourabaya torpedoed North Atlantic German U-boat". It was delivered as she rummaged through what was left of her belongings in the debris. It was some weeks before she was 'told' that he was rescued at sea by an American destroyer and taken to Baltimore. All British servicemen (by order of the Admiralty) rescued and taken back to the States, had to carryft on with the war effort until they could be brought home. So dad had to get busy working building the Liberty Ships. He was in the States for the duration and drove yellow cabs and worked as a cook a chef. He finally came back home working as 2nd Cook on a Merchantman- Empire MacMahon at the end of the war.

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Re: EDWARD HENRY COLLINGWOOD, DEATH C. 1872
« Reply #55 on: Wednesday 17 May 17 16:26 BST (UK) »
The 19th century stevedores and dockers picked their gangs consisting of eight men. They would converge on the dockside and the 'ganger' would pick his men using his experience. Edward Henry would have seen this process many times not knowing that his decendants, the Alfred Daniels, 1st, 2nd and 3rd, would all become stevedores !

Here, Basil Lubbock describes how ships crew were 'hand' picked in similar fashion and how the crew joined the 'pecking order of 'perks'

pages 66-68
66 THE BLACKWALL FRIGATES

The chief officer was allowed 2 firkins of butter, 1 cwt.
of cheese, 1 cwt. of grocery, and 4 quarter cases of
pickles as extra provisions ; the proportions of the other
officers being on the same scale as the wine.

The captain was given two personal servants; the
chief officer, second officer, surgeon, bosun, gunner and
carpenter were each giv^en a servant. No wonder that
the Merchant Service was sought after by the highest
in the land.

The Foremast Hands of an Indiaman.

The crew of the Thames are not yet on board,
though they had been chosen before she hauled out of
dock. The business of signing on had been carried out
on board, for the day of shipping offices had not arrived.

The time — 11 a.m. — had been posted up in the main
rigging, and when the hour arrived there were perhaps
two or three hundred men on the docks ide. Most of
these men owed their advance notes to Hart, the Jew,
a noted Ratcliffe Highway slopshop keeper and cashier
of advance notes at high rates. His runners usually
contrived to get their men in the front rank so as to
catch the eyes of the first and second officers and boat-
swain, who, in picking the crew, soon showed themselves
to be expert judges of sailormen.

The pay for foremast hands was 35s. a month; the
advance, which was two months' pay, was at once
pounced upon by the Jews, but Jack boasted that on a
sou-Spainer bound to a warm climate he only needed a
stockingful of clothes. However, it was noticeable
that even if a man came aboard without a sea chest, he
always had his ditty bag, which contained his marlin-
spike, fid, palm and needles, bullock's horn of grease
and serving board.



FOREMAST HANDS 67

In those days there was no mistaking a seaman for
a landsman. He may perhaps be best described as
a full-grown man with the heart of a child. His
simplicity was on a par with his strength of limb, and
his endurance was as extraordinary as his coolness and
resource in moments of emergency or stress.

In appearance he was recognisable anywhere, not only
for the peculiar marks of the sea and the characteristics
of his kind, but for his length and breadth of limb.

In height he towered over the landsman of his age,
whilst his shoulders occupied the space of two landsmen
in a crowd, and his handshake was something to be
avoided by people with weak bones.

His dress was distinctive of his calling, the nearest
approach to it being the rig of the present day man-of-
war's man. He had, however, a fondness for striped
cotton in shirt and trouser, and when he did consent to
cover his feet sported pumps with big brass buckles
instead of clumsy boots. The black neckerchief came
in of course at Nelson 's funeral, being a sign of mourning
for the little Admiral.

As to headgear, his shiny black tarpaulin hat seems
to have become entirely extinct, and the gaily coloured
handkerchief, which was usually wound round the head
in action, would cause one to suspect its wearer of aping
the pirate in these sober-bued days.

Having had a prowl round the ship, seen our furniture
placed in our cabin, and drunk a glass of wine with the
purser, we finally leave the Indiaman and pull back
through the shipping on the first of the flood.
An Indiaman leaving Gravesend.

A fortnight later we find the Thames lying at
Gravesend with the Blue Peter flying. We get aboard
and then spend our time watching the busy scene.

http://www.archive.org/stream/blackwallfrigate00lubb2/blackwallfrigate00lubb2_djvu.txt

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EDWARD HENRY COLLINGWOOD
« Reply #56 on: Wednesday 17 May 17 21:15 BST (UK) »
EDWARD HENRY COLLINGWOOD and WILLIAM INKSTER

  This year is the 200th anniversary of his birth.
 Died from fever from exposure while fixing storm damage on Dharwar 24-Oct 1878

http://goo.gl/eI3gTr

http://goo.gl/OfHRee

WILLIAM INKSTER -shipwright in 1888 was on his last voyage on the Dharwar.
He saved the ship from certain disaster by making good the ships damaged steering gear
in a devasting storm. He became famous in his day as the shipwright that saved the Dharwar!

Ten years earlier in 1878, also shipwright on the Dharwar, Edward Henry Collingwood made good some storm damage to the bowsprit and spinnaker. In cold and heavy weather the Dharwar was just two days out from Old Hong Kong. He contracted a fever and died in a Hong Kong hospital four days later. His crew pals clubbed together to have a headstone erected and he is buried in Hong Kong's Happy Valley cemetary.

Shipwrights often made ships' coffins and it has intrigued me if Edward Henry made one for himself?

When not at sea both William Inkster and Edward Henry Collingwood worked as part time firemen. Then of course the fire service recruited mainly volunteers usually seaman that had time between ships. They had to live close to the fire station and Edward Henry lived at this time only yards away at 28, Masters Lane now called Gillender St that runs South in one direction parallel to the tunnel approach. He had moved from Cawdor St, since demolished in 1952 to make way for the Blackwall tunnel approach- A12. Just a few minutes walk was the entrance to the East India Docks and the now demolished Poplar Docks and Seaman's Hospital. So small and narrow were these streets that dozens of streets along the tunnel approach were demolished in 1951-52. Cawdor St originally continued on from Dee St and Abbott Rd. The old building that housed the fire station in Gillender St and no 28 are still there but renovated and used by offices and a service depot.

http://goo.gl/OfHRee

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Re: EDWARD HENRY COLLINGWOOD, DEATH C. 1872
« Reply #57 on: Saturday 20 May 17 18:28 BST (UK) »
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=46508

Edward Henry's father was John Collingwood, 1776 - 1821
He was only 45yrs and i believe  he died from a lung related illness from his trade as a ropemaker?
John Tucker's whitelead paint yard was almost within the ropeyards . Ropes were tarred for protection against seawater and the mills were within the same 'yards.' Most industry workers died of lung diseases especially those involving tarring and whitelead paintmaking. He lived in Tuckers Court Alley where his son Edward Henry also grew up and worked as a shipwright.

Edward  moved closer to the East India Docks to that he could go to sea from there, working on ships and to escape the perils his dad endured with dangerous chemicals. John had received a pension from the Dunbar Wharf and was retired early due to ill health.  He was held in high esteem by his employers as a master ropemaker having supplied the ropes for Nelson's 'ships-of-the-line fleet at Trafalgar. Nine years after his father's death Edward was apprenticed to Duncan Dunbar as a shipwright in 1830.  He was a young apprentice when the Great Shipwright Strike of 1831-2 and therefore was commissioned to train in other aspects within the shipyards including more strenuous dock and stevedore work until the nearly year-long strike was over.

Edward was 4yrs old when his dad John died in 1821. He moved to No.6 Cawdor St, which was demolished to make way for the entrance  of the Blackwall Tunnel Approach, A12 (part of the old Brunswick Rd), that ran to my father's  last home in St Leonards St' Bow.

 Edward moved from Cawdor St, to Ellerthorpe St, which was cleared in 1951 for the new Lansbury Market project. Ellerthorpe St continued on from Ricardo St,THROUGH TO THE CURRENT market entrance, which was built on top of the demolished Ellerthorpe St. He then moved to Lochnagar St, Poplar and thence to his last known home in Masters Lane (now Gillender St) to be closer to the docks and his work as a part-time fireman.
My Great-grandfather, Alfred Daniel,b 1846 was  born at Tuckers Court Alley.This place was close to the Poplar Workhouse and was also home for some rough 'Irish Cockneys'
My grand father Alfred Daniel, b 1879 was born after 'his' grandfather Edward Henry died in Hong Kong the year before he was born, 1878.

I am trying to establish the Collingwood connections with historical events; the English Civil War, The High Sheriffs of Northumberland, the pubs around Wapping, and the possibility that some may have sailed on pirate ships including The Adventure Galley of Captain William Kydd


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Re: EDWARD HENRY COLLINGWOOD, DEATH C. 1872
« Reply #58 on: Sunday 21 May 17 21:39 BST (UK) »
from previous post......timescales
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{Edward moved from Cawdor St, to Ellerthorpe St, which was cleared in 1951 for the new Lansbury Market project. Ellerthorpe St continued on from Ricardo St,THROUGH TO THE CURRENT market entrance, which was built on top of the demolished Ellerthorpe St. He then moved to Lochnagar St, Poplar and thence to his last known home in Masters Lane (now Gillender St) to be closer to the docks and his work as a part-time fireman}

Edward relocated from Cawdor St about 1851 ...100 yrs BEFORE the Blackwall Tunnel -A12 approach and the Lansbury Market projects. It is believed that his mother  Anne Merritt and his siblings suffered extreme hardship and near poverty after John died in 1821. However,living in Tuckers Crt Alley was only yards from the POPLAR workhouse where most of the impoverished and widows ended up. It was Poplars first experiment in trying to help the poor. Often whole families with children over 7yrs of age and the work shy,  were given 12 hours work for pittances or just food for the day. Edward and his siblings were given apprentices both at the Dunbar Wharf and The East India Company on the merits and 'tickets-notes' of their deceased father as they in turn reached the ages of 12 -13.

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The SOURABAYA October 1942
« Reply #59 on: Tuesday 23 May 17 20:29 BST (UK) »
My father Alfred Daniel Collingwood embarked N.Y. 4th Oct 1942 and re-boarded the Sourabaya around the 25th Oct 1942. Two days out from New York she was torpedoed. He spent a day in the sea with five other seamen clinging to each other's lifejackets. Was rescued by a U.S. ship and taken back to the U.S. He was subsequently thought 'missing presumed dead'.

http://uboat.net/allies/merchants/ship.html?shipID=2302

At 23.03 hours on 27 Oct 1942, U-436 fired a torpedo at the convoy HX-212 southeast of Cape Farewell, heard a detonation after 59 seconds and observed the hit on the Frontenac. Five minutes later a spread of three torpedoes was fired and detonations were heard after 1 minute, 1 minute 16 seconds and 2 minutes 24 seconds. The third torpedo sank the Sourabaya and the fourth damaged the Gurney E. Newlin, both hits were observed by Seibicke. At 23.11 hours, U-436 fired the stern torpedo and reported another ship damaged, but this is not confirmed by Allied sources.

The master, 36 crew members, 24 passengers, 16 DBS and four gunners from Sourabaya (Master William Thompson Dawson) were picked up by HMCS Alberni (K 103) (Lt I.H. Bell, RCNVR) and HMCS Ville de Quebec (K 242) (LtCdr A.R.E. Coleman, RCNR) and landed at Liverpool on 2 November. 26 crew members, 31 passengers, 16 DBS and four gunners were picked up by the Bic Island, which was torpedoed and sunk with all hands by U-224 (Kosbadt) on 29 October.

The British landing craft HMS LCT-2281 (291 tons) on deck was lost with the vessel.

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Re: EDWARD HENRY COLLINGWOOD, DEATH C. 1872
« Reply #60 on: Friday 30 June 17 00:20 BST (UK) »
correction from my post Sunday 21st of May. I incorrectly said that Edward Henry Collingwoods mother was Ann Merritt. That was his wife she died 1876. Sorry

His mother was Elizabeth Marshall died 1851

28 Feb 1802   Married    John COLLINGWOOD husb of Elizabeth MARSHALL   Limehouse, St. Anne MDX    PR    G: b; B:, s; botp, by banns, both signed; W: Edward Towns, Thos. Long

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Re: EDWARD HENRY COLLINGWOOD, DEATH C. 1872
« Reply #61 on: Saturday 22 July 17 21:29 BST (UK) »
The Dharwar sister ship of The Cutty Sark

One of the tasks of a shipwright was to overhaul the copper covering of the hull. Copper sheathing often buckled and bent with the battering of the waves causing 'drag'. Since most of these clippers competed for the fastest times on their journeys often this work was done, if safely possible while at sea.

*It is hard to imagine that these sailing ships could carry over 400 passengers, yet they often did unless they were cargo loaded. Outward bound ships carried troops for India and China to protect and relieve serving soldiers for the East India Company. Disembarking their human cargo they then had to load tea or wool even timber as ballast. When troops were not onboard then a monthly consignment of emigrants or convicts were loaded. The Australian 'wool-fleets' began as the tea trade suffered by competition and the US began their tea trade in the 1860's.

The Dharwar was as fast as the Cutty Sark and the Thermopylae having competed on separate occasions making the Australian trip under different sea conditions.




http://www.convictrecords.com.au/ships/earl-grey

Edward Henry Collingwood worked repairing the Earl Grey-convict ship and gave evidence at the Old Bailey,1848. He was making good for the Earl Grey's last voyage to Sydney in 1849, carrying 29 Irish Women Transportees...(crimes:- larceny, robbery, prostitution)

http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/browse.jsp?id=t18480515-name-918&div=t18480515-1350#highlight

http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/browse.jsp?id=OA17550317n23-2&div=OA17550317#highlight

John Taylor - Ordinary's account of typical executions at Newgate Prison

At the Place of EXECUTION.
ON Monday morning, the 17th instant, about nine o'clock, the several malefactors ordered for execution, were brought out of the press-yard, and being put into three carts, Gill and Delarant , in one; Trevis , Haynes and Burton , in a second; Burk , Preston and Dyson , in a third, were carried to the place of execution, about ten o'clock. When they were tied up to the fatal tree, some time was passed in recommending their souls to divine mercy; and they were very intent to prayers, in the name of Christ and his church, offered up to the throne of grace in their behalf; and prayed as heartily in others, which they repeated for themselves, acknowledging their unworthiness, and dependance only on Christ's merits.
Dyson, at getting into the cart at Newgate, as also when he was in the cart from which he was executed at Tyburn, shewed such extraordinary marks of senselesness of his condition, as surprised every beholder. But where's the wonder, when we consider him as scarce past childhood; having never been exercised, but in puerile amusements; having had no education; and scarce ever having heard there was a God and a future state, till under sentence of death. Notwithstanding, as horrible a dread overwhelmed him, as did, perhaps, any of the rest, who behaved as became people in their last moments.
Only Burk died a Roman catholick ; who declared, as Gill did to the last, that the robbery, for which Isaiah Robbins, now under respite for three weeks, was convicted, was by them committed near Whitechapel- mount , upon Mr. Richardson. Execution was done upon them without any disturbance, tho' a vast multitude were gathered together on the occasion. Their bodies were delivered to their friends.

This is all the Account given by me, JOHN TAYLOR
Ordinary of Newgate. Ordinary's Account, 17th March 1755


Left in The Lurch

Ordinary's Account, 17th March 1755.
 
As the prisoners were taken to Tyburn for execution, the cart ( which was called a lurch)was ceremoniously pulled over at a nearby tavern and the crowds that had gathered to witness the hangings offered the cart driver a jug of ale, as was customary. While the crowds jeered at the unfortunate souls, the driver would leave the lurch and join in the celebration leaving the prisoners in deep prayer. Then would solemnly carry on his journey to Tyburn Tree.
'Left in the Lurch'

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Re: EDWARD HENRY COLLINGWOOD, DEATH C. 1872
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I am currently researching my ancestors and as yet have nothing more to add at this stage, though some interesting accounts of my father have emerged during his 13yrs (1931-1944) as a Merchant Seaman, Alfred Daniel Collingwood,1914-1965 sailed US 1942-1944, Merchant CONVOY ships, Sourabaya, Ile de France, Empire MacMahon, British Merchant, Mauretania, Sphinx

http://uboat.net/allies/merchants/ship.html?shipID=2302

To find passengers and crews sailing to NY...REGISTER, then open links to ships manifest.
http://www.libertyellisfoundation.org/passenger-details/czoxMzoiOTAxMTg2Nzc5NDMwMiI7/czo5OiJwYXNzZW5nZXIiOw==#passengerListAnchor

http://www.libertyellisfoundation.org/passenger-details/czoxMzoiOTAxMTg2Nzc5NDMwMiI7/czo5OiJwYXNzZW5nZXIiOw==#passengerListAnchor