Thomas Pougher - Sapcote

[paja]

Hi!  I'm hoping that someone who is better at this stuff than me can identify more information around my g-g-grandfather, THOMAS POUGHER, born Sapcote c1831.

I have him in the 1861 Census, visiting his wife-to-be (Sarah Grace Sewell, of Welham), at which time he was a policeman; and then running the Willow Tree pub in Willow Road, Leicester, in 1871 and 1875.  He appears to have died by 1881.

Any help in filling the blanks, and especially taking him backwards, would be much appreciated.

Many thanks,

Peter

[Nessie]

Could this be Thomas?
HO107/2082/6/5
Stony Stanton

Francis Lane head age 53 licensed vict and baker born Stony Stanton
Ann wife age 34 born Sapcote
William son age 16 born Stanton
Thomas Paugher age 20 gen servant born Sapcote

[paja]

Thanks, this looks very likely.  Stoney Stanton is about a mile from Sapcote, and given that the wife of the household is also from Sapcote...

And looking at the original record, the 'a' might be a deformed 'o'.  Can't think why the 'fuzzy spelling' feature failed to find it.  But there's no 'Paugher' in the 1841 Census - sad!

It would be great if you or anyone else can take him further back.

Sorry for the delay in responding after your rapid reply.  Got distracted by some football match or other.

Peter

[Valda]

This Thomas is too young but it shows there were Poughers in Sapcote in 1841

1841 census HO107 603/1 folio 18 page 31
Sapcote  Leicestershire   
Thomas Pougher 35  Leicestershire Shoe m.
Rebecca Pougher 35  Leicestershire
Thomas Pougher 7  Leicestershire
Abraham Pougher 1  Leicestershire

The census enumerator then loses it completely for this family in 1851 and they are recorded as Puffers. They re-emerge as Paughers in 1861. It shows how far you have to be prepared to go to find a Pougher on a census. The younger Thomas is with his family on all three censuses so he is not your man.

On the Puffer/Pougher principle we have now established for census searching - how about this family on the 1841 census for your Thomas?

HO107 603/1 folio 15 page 15
Sapcote  Leicestershire
Samuel Proffer 40  Leicestershire Ag lab
Jane Proffer 35  Leicestershire
Elizabeth Proffer 12  Leicestershire
Thomas Proffer 11  Leicestershire
Anne Proffer 6  Leicestershire
Louisa Proffer 10 mths  Leicestershire
they are next door to even more Puffers

and if you keep the faith here are the Proffers metamorphising into the Poughers in 1851 minus of course Thomas.

1851 census HO107 2082 folio 34
Sapcote  Leicestershire   
Samuel Pougher 50 Sapcote, Leicestershire,  Head Married labourer
Jane Pougher 47 Sapcote, Leicestershire, Wife  Married 
Elizth Pougher 23  Sapcote, Leicestershire, Daughter  Stocking weaver
Ann Pougher 16  Sapcote, Leicestershire, Daughter 
Louisa Pougher 11  Sapcote, Leicestershire, Daughter 

The census enumerators were obviously having a lot of difficulty with the local accent and a reasonably rare surname which they had never come across before. So hidden somewhere in Sapcote there are probably quite a few Poughers on the censuses.

The family is still in Sapcote in 1861 but Samuel has changed his mind about his place of birth - South Kilworth circa 1797. By 1871 he is back to being born in Sapcote.

Regards

Valda

[Mike from Leicester]

Greeting’s Peter….

1841. Census.
Choice if two possibilities ?

HO 107 / 603. / Book 1. / Folder. 15. / Page. 24.
INDEXED AS PROFFER.
Sapcote.

Samuel Proffer. 40. Ag. Lab.
Jane Wife. 35.
Elizabeth. Dau. 12.
THOMAS. 11.
Ann. Dau. 6.
Louisa. Dau. 3 Months Old.

HO107 / 603. /Book 1. / Folder. 18. / Page. 31.
INDEXED AS POUGHES.
Sapcote.

Thomas Poughes. 35. Shoe Maker.
Rebecca. Wife. 35.
THOMAS. Son. 7.3
Abraham. Son. 1.

Also found :-
HO 107. / 603. Book. 1. / Folder. 12. / Page. 17.
Sapcote.
Richard Pougher. 65. Ag.Lab.
Catherine Ellington. 40.Female Serant.
Jemmia Billings. 15.Ditto.
All ABOVE Born within the County

Burial found for Welford Road Leicester.
Name. / Dates. / Ages. / Last known address. / Parish.
POUGHER   ARTHUR PRYOR   3   MAY   1869   17MTHS   LIVERPOOL STREET   SAINT MARGARET   U   R1   2555   C   22188
U. – Unconsecrated Ground.
R1. = Section.
2555. = Plot No.
22188. = Burial No.

Sapcote Pougher  Burials Found :-
Names. / Dates. / Ages. / Notes.:-
POUGHER   JOHN   18   JUL   1829   90   
POUGHER   GEORGE   12   SEP   1832   4MTHS   SON OF SAMUEL
POUGHER   SARAH   10   SEP   1833   86   
POUGHER   GEORGE   28   DEC   1836   9MTHS   SON OF THOMAS & REBECCA
POUGHER   ANNE   18   OCT   1842   85   GRADUAL DECAY
POUGHER   JANE   16   DEC   1848   52   
POUGHER   RICHARD   19   JUN   1851   79   
POUGHER   ANN   21   MAR   1855   80   
POUGHER   REBECCA   1   APR   1874   72   
POUGHER     *THOMAS *   13   DEC   1878   48   
POUGHER   SAMUEL   7   MAY   1881   83   
POUGHER   JANE   4   FEB   1886   86   
POUGHER   THOMAS   19   MAY   1886   86   

Also there was severial Burials for PUFFERS
but Have not posted them

Also a few in Stoney Stanton ....

POUGHER   THOMAS   18   DEC   1835   43
POUGHER   ANNE   18   JAN   1836   69
POUGHER   WILLIAM   8   NOV   1849   81

Hope this is of help to you

MIKE.

[paja]

Valda/Mike:

Thanks for this stuff.  The logic of Valda's 1841 Proffers is very strong, as it ties so closely to the 1851 census in terms of given names and ages, with my g-g-gf in service down the road in Stoney Stanton.

I agree with the 'rarity of the name' thought; the name is pronounced 'Puffer' anyway.  Not a difficult leap to 'Proffer', in days of far from 100% literacy!

Mike - I think I have Thomas Poughes as Pougher in the 1881 Census, as a retired Shoemaker living in an Alms House.  My Thomas Pougher's wife is listed as Head of Household by 1881, which suggets he was dead rather than separated and living in poverty.  Equally, no other recod of my Thomas being a shoemaker.

Thus I like your Proffers, in line with Valda's thoughts.

Interested in the burial information as well, and I'll digest this at leisure in the next couple of days.  Although, in 1875 my Thomas was running a pub near Filbert Street, and in the 1881 Census his widow is living on Humberstone Road.  Not sure he'd have been buried in Sapcote, unless it was normal to be planted back where you came from.

My sincere thanks for your help in this.  You may well see other requests of mine appear in this group in future, as I run out of ideas in some of my other 'chains'.  So far they're virtually all in Leics (occasionally straying into Rutland & Lincs).

Thomas's son Arthur Dick Pougher was, incidentally, a professional cricketer for the County, MCC and England.

Thanks again,

Peter

[Mike from Leicester]

Greeting’s Again Peter

PUFFER Burials Sapcote :-

PUFFER   JOSEPH   15   JUN   1815   72
PUFFER   JAMES   25   JAN   1834   83
PUFFER   MARIA   24   MAY   1845   3MTHS
PUFFER   JOSEPH   28   JAN   1859   84
PUFFER   CATHERINE   18   JAN   1860   59

None found for...... Stoney Stanton.

MIKE.

[Valda]

THOMAS POUGHER 
Christening:  16 MAY 1830   Sapcote, Leicester
Father:  SAMUEL POUGHER 
Mother:  JANE 

Pougher siblings

ELIZABETH POUGHER Christening: 24 JAN 1828 Sapcote, Leicester
 
ANN POUGHER Christening: 05 JUN 1835 Sapcote, Leicester

Puffer siblings

LOUISA PUFFER Christening: 04 OCT 1840 Sapcote, Leicester

MARIA PUFFER   
Birth:  20 FEB 1845   
Christening:  20 MAY 1845   Sapcote, Leicester
Death:  24 MAY 1845   
Father:  SAMUEL PUFFER 
Mother:  JANE 

SAMUEL POUGHER 
Spouse:  JANE PAIN 
Marriage:  25 SEP 1827   Kirkby Mallory, Leicester

Deaths Jun 1881
Pougher  Samuel  83  Hinckley  7a 34

Records submitted after 1991 by a member of the LDS Church.

So treat with great caution

Samuel Puffer 
Christening:  28 JUN 1799   Sapcote, Leicester
Father:  John Puffer 
Mother:  Ann Arnold 

and siblings

Susannah Puffer Christening: 18 SEP 1787 Sapcote, Leicester
Martha Puffer Christening: 01 JAN 1790 Sapcote, Leicester
Abraham Puffer Christening: 12 APR 1791 Sapcote, Leicester
John Puffer Christening: 15 SEP 1794 Sapcote, Leicester
Anne Puffer Christening: 13 SEP 1796 Sapcote, Leicester


Deaths Dec 1878
POUGHER  Thomas  48  Leicester  7a 132

1871 census RG10 3276 folio 110
The Willow Tree Willow Street St Margaret  Leicester Leicestershire   
Thomas Pougher 40  Sapcote, Leicestershire, Head Married Licensed Victualler
Sarah G Pougher 36 Witham, Leicestershire,  Wife Married 
Samuel S Pougher 7 Witham, Leicestershire,  Son 
Martha A Pougher 4  Leicester,  Daughter 
John E Pougher 1 Leicester,  Son 
plus 1 servant

Regards

Valda



 

[melanie adele]

I appreciate this conversation is old however I thought you might be interested in the below from my Pougher family research if you are still viewing this post.

Incidentally Pougher is pronounced Power, or has been throughout this century in our family.

Census information. 1871 was living in 91 Willow St Leicester with family, wife Sarah, son Samuel and daughter Martha and a servant called Ernest Church who appears to have been 16. No mention of children Emma or George on the census, who are sourced from Great Grandpa Poughers family tree. Equally this part of the tree appears vague, but no mention of Samuel or Martha on his tree. The census is for the only Thomas Pougher listed however and as his wife is Sarah, he has the family trade and was born in Sapcote which is correct I have to assume this is the correct Thomas Pougher.
On the 1861 census Thomas is listed as a policeman and a visitor to Market Harborough staying with Samuel Sewell or Jewell who was 54 and the owner of 20acres was his given profession. Living with the family was Jewells daughter Sarah who was 27 to Thomas's 29 and a dress maker. Was Sarah Thomas's future wife, and did Pop Pougher get her maiden name wrong?