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CLEGGS in America? after 1841.
« on: Sunday 11 June 06 02:11 BST (UK) »
Hi folks,

I'm looking for details of my Clegg family going to America.
I think I've tracked some down on 1880 census but am not 100% sure.
Few odd names so am hoping they won't be that hard to find!!!!...famous last words I know! LOL
anyway
looking for

George Orrell Clegg chr 1827
Walter Orrell Clegg chr 1835
Egerton Peel Clegg chr 1838
Arthur Wellesley Clegg chr 1840

Their mother was Mary (possibly nee Dawson) She married Robert Bousfield Clegg but he died in 1845.
Can't seem to find them in 1851 in Eng. so not sure if she remarried or what.

Can anyone out there find what happened to them? or if they went to America at some stage??

In 1841 they were in Eccles, Lancashire, England.

Thanks in advance,
Lilygirl.
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Re: CLEGGS in America? after 1841.
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 11 June 06 04:00 BST (UK) »
Hi Lily Girl

Egerton Peel CLEGG looks like him:

1880 US - Galveston Texas
---------nic? Street
Head: Edgerton P CLEGG age 41 b England of English parents, occ: Hardware Mecht.
Wife: Dedie CLEGG age 28, Keeping House, born Massachusetts of Mass. born parents
Dau: Marion CLEGG age 1and half, born Boston of Mass. mother & Eng father.
Serv: Henrietta JONES age 16, Cook, born Virginia
No Rel stated: William JONES age 29, Laborer, born Boston
Serv: Frances MERRIMAN?, age 13, Nurse, born Texas.

Will now look for him in later Census and Modify this post with additions!

Cheers
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Re: CLEGGS in America? after 1841.
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 11 June 06 04:04 BST (UK) »
Hi
Thanks is there any census recorded in America before 1880?
I found that entry online and that's what led me to believe maybe the family went to America because I found a possibility for 2 of his brothers also in different states.

Do you know how I'd go about finding death info and what it would contain??
Would it tell me anything that could help pinpoint him to being the person I want. ie parents names or birthplaces in Eng etc??

Thanks again look forward to hearing more from you soon,
Lilygirl.
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Re: CLEGGS in America? after 1841.
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 11 June 06 04:29 BST (UK) »
Hi Lily Girl

US Census are available 1790 - 1930
Exception is 1890 which has more or less not survived apart from fragments.

Some Census record very detailed information regarding Immigration year, length of mariage etc, but unlikely to find any thing specific on Census for place of birth other than England. Immigration records might help there - but I'll have a good look for that too.

Which brothers in which states do you believe you have found?

Unbelievably -  there is an Edgerton CLEGG and an Egerton P CLEGG on 1900; neither with right birth year and some funny transcribing cf: one says born 1846 but immigrated 1825, so having a look at both of them!    PC a bit slow  - hang in there  ;D

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Re: CLEGGS in America? after 1841.
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 11 June 06 04:47 BST (UK) »
This is clearly the same man as was in Galveston Texas in 1880.

1900
State of Maine, Penobscot County, Hampden township
Head: Edgerton P CLEGG age 54,
born May 1846, England of English parents; married 22 years,
Year of Immigration to US: 25  (sic) must mean 1825 - but it cannot be right!!!!!)Nr of years in the US: 23 (so arrived ca 1877)
Occupation: Capitalist
Owns own home, Freehold.
Wife: Dedie (C?) CLEGG age 47 b  Nov 1852, married 22 years, birthmother of 3 children, all 3 living.
Born Massachusetts of Mass. born parents.
Children:
Dau: Marion (M?) CLEGG age 19, born Oct 1880 in Mass, of mass mother & English father, At School.
Dau: Gertrude (O?) CLEGG age 17,born Dec 1882 in Texas of Mass mother & English father, At School
Dau: Beatrice E CLEGG age 17 born Mar 1883 in Texas of Mass mother & English father, At School

Don't you love Edgerton's occupation !
This enumerator has made some errors in copying the household schedules into his Enumerators book. He has gone back and corrected this family, and I feel still made errors - def. with the girls whom he has born in diff years and months but 3 moths apart! He also has flowery floriushes at end of words, so middle initial of mother &  first 2 girls may be a flourish or may be as I have put.
Gertrude originally down as age 18, then changed to 17.
Marion originally down as 20, changed to 19.
Dedie originally down as 18, changed to 47!
Possibly this is why Edgerton also has a funny immigration year!

I think I read someplace that some of the info on the Census we get to see, is a result of the Enumerator copying and doing some Arithmetic - and often they made mistakes.

This is the other Edgerton CLEGG in 1900:
1900 - State of New York, New York County, Manhattan
Boarder: Edgerton CLEGG age 60, Single  born Mar 1840 England, of English parents. Occupation: Speculator. Emigrated 1890, in US 10yrs.
In house on  Broadway (A2)  of a May FERRIER as one of many Boarders.

Speculator, Capitalist..........but for the Immigration years - I'd wonder if this were same man.....possibly a comedic or sour wife in Maine, while he was on business in NY?

IMMIGRATION:
Immigration Record 1859
Departed Liverpool, Arrived New York September 1859 on ship "Africa"
Egerton P CLEGG age 20, Occ; Gent,  Currently from: England, Destination: Travelling
A W CLEGG age 21, Occ; Gent,  Currently from: England, Destination: Travelling

Immigration Record 1869
Departed Liverpool, Arrived New York on 9 Aug 1869, ship:  "City of Antwerp",
Egerton CLEGG age 32, Gent, Currently from US, Destination US.

Immigration Record 1873
Departed Liverpool, and Queenstown, Ireland Arrived New York October 1873 on Ship "Celtic"
Egerton CLEGG  (no other details recorded on Manifest except he had "two ----?baggage").

I think this is probably the same man, entering the states on 3 occasions.


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Re: CLEGGS in America? after 1841.
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 11 June 06 05:14 BST (UK) »
Hi
Edgerton (sic) P. Clegg also appears on 1870 US census

Texas, Galveston county, 3-ward Galveston

CLEGG, Edgerton
Male, White, 32, born England, occup: Hardware dealer
Value of Personal estate: 50,000.

Valerie :)
Bayley, Dorset, Lancashire, Yorkshire, Cheshire and others.
Antrobus, Somerset/Glouster
Skelton, Heslington, Yorkshire
James, Norfolk, and London
Delasalle, London area
Gravett/Grevet, Surrey
Also searching the above in Australia

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Re: CLEGGS in America? after 1841.
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 11 June 06 05:19 BST (UK) »
Hi this is fascinating stuff!

There's a Walter O Clegg b1834 in New York in 1880.

There's a George Clegg b 1828 in Chester, Pennsylvania in 1880.

Am interested to see if they're linked as brothers of Egerton Peel Clegg.

Is it possible to find when/how they got to America probably all at the same time I'd imagine.

Thanks again for your help so far. I'm so excited.

Lilygirl.
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« Reply #7 on: Sunday 11 June 06 05:24 BST (UK) »
1870 US census
New York, Kings, Roll 960, Book 1, 20 ward Brooklyn, Page 33

CLEGG, Walter O, b England, 34, male, white, Stationery store
             Agusta (sic) 30, b New Jersey, female, white, keeping 
                          house
             Emily, 7, female, white, born NY
             Mary, 3, female, white, born NY

Valerie
Bayley, Dorset, Lancashire, Yorkshire, Cheshire and others.
Antrobus, Somerset/Glouster
Skelton, Heslington, Yorkshire
James, Norfolk, and London
Delasalle, London area
Gravett/Grevet, Surrey
Also searching the above in Australia

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Re: CLEGGS in America? after 1841.
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 11 June 06 05:27 BST (UK) »
Hi grub,
Thanks.

There's also another brother Arthur Wellesley Clegg born about 1840 but couldn't find him on 1880 (which was all I had access to)
so if it's not too much trouble can you please look him up too just incase he went to the states as well.

Thanks again, happy hunting.
Lilygirl.
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