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Re: CLEGGS in America? after 1841.
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 11 June 06 05:59 BST (UK) »
IMMIGRATION:
E(d)gerton Peel CLEGG - poss as above.

Arthur Wellesley CLEGG
Possibly  as A W CLEGG in 1859 with Egerton CLEGG, above.
And again:
Arr 29 Aug 1861 New York, Departed Liverpool, Ship: "Asia"
Mr A W CLEGG age 22, Gent, of England.

 ;D
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Re: CLEGGS in America? after 1841.
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 11 June 06 06:09 BST (UK) »
Hi there,

How cool is this!!!!
Does this mean they should be on the 1860 census too then.

Thanks so much I'm gonna go and read this all through my head is still spinning!!!
Can't wait to see what more you can find!

Thanks again!!
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Re: CLEGGS in America? after 1841.
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 11 June 06 08:22 BST (UK) »
Hi Lily Girl

To complete Edgerton's family
You have them in  US 1870, 1880, 1900 - above - and now 1910 1920 below.
Cannot locate in 1860. Even though he may have arrived late 1859, he may not have remained in the country at that time and so missed the 1860 Census.

1910: New York State, New York Cty, Manhattan  22nd Ward
Head: Thomas F WINTER age 41
Wife: May WINTERS age 29
Mother in law: Mary C HOPP age 56
Niece: Ellen WINTERS age 25
Roomer: Charles (RULES?) age 35
Roomer John J (CUFF?) age 36
Roomer: Edgerton P CLEGG age 72, born mass of Mass parents, Insurance Agent, married once for 35 yrs.
Roomer (wife) : Delia CLEGG age 60 born Mass of Mass parents, Married once for 35 yrs, birthmother of 3 children, all 3 still living.
Roomer: Gertrude CLEGG age 23, Single, born Mass of mass parents - no occupation.

(1910 Note: Possibly Because their details have been given by the Head of house they are rooming in, it incorrectly states they are US born, therefore no Immigration or naturalisation data is stated)

1920: - State of Massachusetts, Middlesex County, Newton City  - Ward 1
17 Maple Avenue
Head: Delia A CLEGG age 69 born Mass of Mass born parents, a Widow, Rented home, no occupation,
Dau: Gertrude CLEGG age 39, single, born Texas of US  father & Mass mother, no occupation.
Dau: Beatrice CLEGG age 37, single, born Texas of Eng father & Mass mother, no occupation.
Grandchild: Dorothy H TAYLOR age 8, born New Hampshire of an Oklahoman father & Mass.born mother.

(19820 Note: So now we know eldest daughter Marion who was born in Mass. apparently married a man named TAYLOR from Oklahoma.
And Edgerton died between 1910 and 1920 Census)


1930: - State of Massachusetts, Middlesex County, Newton City  - Ward 1

17 Maple Avenue
Head: Delia E CLEGG age 80 born Mass of Mass born parents, a Widow, Rented home, monthly rental value $45.00 (or $450.00?), no occupation,
Dau: Gertrude D CLEGG age 49, single, born Texas of Eng father & Mass mother, no occupation.
Dau: Beatrice E CLEGG age 47, single, born Texas of Eng father & Mass mother, no occupation.
Grandau: Dorothy TAYLOR age 18, single born New York of an Ohio father & Mass.born mother, no occupation
Lodger: Annie L LANATER? age 34, single born Maine of Maine parents, Occ: Teacher Public Sc..
Lodger: Clara L RICE age 50, single, borm Massof mass parents, Occ: Teacher, Public School
Lodger Fanny W T----------? age 77 single,  born mass of New Hampshire Father, Connecticut Mother, Occ: none,
Boarder; Gertrude P CASTLE age 36, single,  born New York of Mass parents, Occ: Teacher Public School.

(1930Note - for grandau Dorothy, the enumerator has begun to write Oklahoma for her father;s placeofbirth, but crossed it out and wrote Ohio instead).

And....here is prettymuch proof we have the right man:
Headstone transcription :
Massachusetts: Middlesex County, Cambridge, Mt. Auburn Cemetery Record:
Egerton Peel CLEGG Birthdate?, Death date?
Beatrice Egerton CLEGG , birthdate?, deathdate?
Buried with Taylor.

And:
Massachusetts: Middlesex County, Cambridge, Mt. Auburn Cemetery Record
Marion Hancock Clegg TAYLOR , Birthdate?, Death date?
Buried with Clegg

Daughter Marion may have died relatively young since her daughter Dorothy is with her granny from age 8. perhaps it was a childbirth death.

Will keep a-looking for the other siblings of Egerton, but probably not get back until tomorrw  ;D

Cheers
AMBLY
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Re: CLEGGS in America? after 1841.
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 11 June 06 08:30 BST (UK) »
Hi,
Very exciting and looking forward to the next installment
Thanks so much
Lilygirl. ;)
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Re: CLEGGS in America? after 1841.
« Reply #13 on: Monday 12 June 06 03:30 BST (UK) »
Hi Lily Girl!  ;D

Massachusetts: Middlesex County, Cambridge, Mt. Auburn Cemetery Record
As with the other ones found for Egerton, Marion and Beatrice - No birth or death dates.
Delia Hancock Clegg  - Buried with Taylor 
Varey Dorothy Hancock Taylor - Buried with Clegg
Baby Harold Taylor  - Buried with Clegg 
Baby Harriet Joan Taylor  - Buried with Clegg 

Only daughter Gertrude isn't listed in the Cemetery above, but this may be her death record in New York:
Gertrude Clegg  - SSN: 033-34-1500  issued Massachusetts 1962
Last Residence: 10583  Scarsdale, Westchester, New York, United States of America
Born: 1 Dec 1880 , Died: Apr 1976
 
And I think this will be Egerton's wife Delia, before they married:
1870
Massachusetts State, Middlesex County, Newton City:
Post Office: Newton Center
James HANCOCK age 70, no Occupation, born Mass.
Ellen HANCOCK age 56, Housekeeping, born Mass.
Delia HANCOCK age 23, no occupatiopn born Mass
Eliza PYNE age 18, Domestic Servant, born Ireland; both parents of foreign
birth.

1860
Massachusetts State, Suffolk County,  Boston City -  Ward 10
Post Office: Boston
All born Massachusetts (except Nora)
Head: James S HANCOCK age  60 , (no occupation stated) value of personal estate $1000
Ellen H HANCOCK age 42 
Nellie M HANCOCK Age 16 
Delia E HANCOCK age 12  b Mass.
Dwight BAYNTON age 23 
Ellen C BAYNTON age 23 
Elliot BAYNTONage  25 , occupation: Physician
Nora CONNEY age 19 , occupation: Domestic, b Ireland

1850
Massachusetts State, Norfolk County,  Roxbury City
Post Office: Boston
James S HANCOCK age 50 b Mass, Occ: None
Ellen HANCOCK age 30 b Mass
Mary E  HANCOCK age 6 b Mass
Delia E HANCOCK age 1 and half b Mass
Mary BUTLER age 76 b England,
Thomas HANCOCK age 42 b Mass Occ: None
Mary GLENVIEW? age 18 b Ireland, Occ: Domestic
Patrick CORCORAN?  age 50, b Ireland, Occ: Milkman
Catherine CORCORAN? age 45, b Ireland
Mary CORCORAN? age 23  b Ireland
George CORCORAN?  age 19  b Ireland, Occ: Laborer
Catherine CORCORAN?  age 17  b Ireland
Patrick CORCORAN? age 15  b Ireland
Anna CORCORAN?  age 13  b Ireland

Also found these bits:
Galveston, Texas City Directories 1888, 1889
Egerton P. Clegg, Mechanic,15th Galveston
Location 2:r. northwest corner E.

Galveston, Texas City Directories 1890, 1891
Egerton P. Clegg, merchant
Location 2: r. southwest corner avenue P 1/2, 25th

Buffalo, New York Directory, 1890
Name: Egerton F. Clegg, Occupation: insurance
Location 1: room 26 Chapin block
Location 2: b. 52 Niagara square

SO: to clear my spinning head  ;D
This means we have found Census
Egerton Peel CLEGG  on all Census except UK 1851, US 1860 or UK 1861**, plus burial place
Delia E CLEGG nee HANCOCK on every available Census in her lifetime,  plus burial place.
Marion Hancock TAYLOR nee CLEGG on two earliest possible Census 1880 and 1900. Missing 1910***  plus burial place
Gertrude CLEGG on on every available Census in her lifetime, plus probable death record
Beatrice Egerton CLEGG on every available Census in her lifetime except 1910.***  plus burial place
Dorothy Hancock  TAYLOR on every available Census in her lifetime. plus possible burial place.

** Egerton 1860 US or UK 1861 census both of which he may have missed if he was not in either place.
***Marion believe she may have died pre 1920. The 1910 Census is currently only indexed by Head of House name, so won't find her (or Beatrice in 1910) unless we know name of Marion's husband. Beatrice may very well be with them in this Census. However the full name index for 1910 is soon to be released.

Cheers
AMBLY



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Re: CLEGGS in America? after 1841.
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 20 August 19 16:58 BST (UK) »
I was recently shown a leather passport holder with the name Walter Orrell Clegg embossed on the cover. The gentleman travelled from London to Paris from 1855 to 1858. I Googled the name Walter Orrell Clegg, and found a naturalization form filed by him in New York City in 1865. At the time, he lived at 296 Madison Street (not Madison Avenue) in Manhattan.Hope you find this information of interest - Best Wishes, John

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Re: CLEGGS in America? after 1841.
« Reply #15 on: Saturday 05 October 19 12:03 BST (UK) »
I was recently shown a leather passport holder with the name Walter Orrell Clegg embossed on the cover. The gentleman travelled from London to Paris from 1855 to 1858. I Googled the name Walter Orrell Clegg, and found a naturalization form filed by him in New York City in 1865. At the time, he lived at 296 Madison Street (not Madison Avenue) in Manhattan.Hope you find this information of interest - Best Wishes, John

Hi John,
How fascinating have just seen this post. Thanks so much for sharing.   Interested to know where were you shown the passport holder, who it belonged to and how it came about? Small world eh!
Sue
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« Reply #16 on: Saturday 05 October 19 14:31 BST (UK) »
Smaller than you can imagine - I was born and grew up not ten blocks from Master Clegg's Manhattan address! A private investigator of my acquaintance found the booklet in an apartment in Sunset Park in Brooklyn, just over the Brooklyn Bridge from Lower Manhattan where W.O. Clegg lived in 1865. I have no idea how or why it was there after 150 years. The PI knows I am fascinated by old things, and asked if I could research the passport's owner. If you would like, I can send you the actual passport (probably expired, though) and some other old items found along with it. At any rate, I will try sending some photos of the booklet to this website.
  Best Wishes, John

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« Reply #17 on: Saturday 05 October 19 16:12 BST (UK) »
Way down in this thread is a W.O.Clegg in the New York City census of 1870, age 34, born in England, and residing in the borough of Brooklyn - must be him, explaining(?) his papers being found there