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Deaths & Census WHITTLE / WHITTLEY
« on: Thursday 13 July 06 14:27 BST (UK) »
Hi,

Could I ask for a kind soul to help to re-confirm the details of some Death records, as transcribed from the Greffe registers many years ago:

WHITTLE, Wm. Laine died Mar. 29, 1856
WHITTLE, Wm. Alley & [?Sgt.] Major, d. Nov.24, 1859 H.D.

WHITTLEY, William Digman Feb. 27, 1860 MGTHE

[Think that the first two could have been soldiers at the fort.]


Does anyone know what the initials at the end of the records mean?


I am especially interested in the age-at-death of the last person. It was transcribed as "42", but might be "4 1/2".

If it is the latter, then it is the WDW b. 1854 that we know.
However, he is known to have survived to return to Belfast in 1862, then went to the silver mines of Idaho with his father(also William) later in later life!

Could someone re-confirm his continued existence past 1861 from the census of that year (residence was in George Road or Victoria Road)?


If the age is "42" then the person is likely to be a completely unknown family member. Very exciting!


Thanks,

John
WHITTLEY - Donegore, Ballycraigy, Newtownards, Guernsey, PALI
WHITTLE - Dublin, Glenavy, Muckamore, Belfast; Jamaica; Norfolk (Virginia), Baltimore (Maryland), New York
CHAINE - Ballymena, Muckamore, Larne
EWART, DEWART - Portglenone, Ballyclare
McAFEE, WALKER - Ballyrashane

"You can't give kindness away enough, it keeps coming back to you."
Mark Twain (aka Samuel CLEMENTS) [Family from Ballynure, Co. Antrim.]

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Re: Deaths & Census WHITTLE / WHITTLEY
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 13 July 06 15:38 BST (UK) »
1861 RG9/4383 folio 83 page 3 St Peters Port Guernsey



15 George Street

William Whittley head age 32 Grocer born Ireland
Elizabeth  Whittley wife age 31 born St Peters Port Guernsey
William D  Whittley son age 5 St Peters Port Guernsey
Henry  Whittley son age 4 St Peters Port Guernsey
Morris John Whittley age 2 St Martins Guernsey

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oakley, Leadbeater, Hemming, Jones, Pearsall, Page,------ Aston, Leominster, Balsall Heath, Tewkesbury, Kings Norton, Birmingham.

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Re: Deaths & Census WHITTLE / WHITTLEY
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 13 July 06 16:26 BST (UK) »
Pam,

Thanks for that rapid reply on the 1861 census look up. Very impressive! Many thanks.


That confirms that the young WDW did live on past 1860.

So the WDW who died in 1860 MUST be someone new.
[Can't have 2 WDW's in the same family at the same time!]

Looking forward to the death lookups now.


The later lives of these Guernsey born folks were:

William Digman WHITTLEY and his father firtled around Belfast as bakers, then headed for the silver mines of Idaho and were never heard of again.

Henry WHITTLEY fought in the Zulu wars with the PALI, probably inspired by his child-hood memories of soldiers from the fort. He was a clerk in Dublin/Belfast before emigrating to Philadelphia where he also became a part-time preacher.

Morris John WHITTLEY was a compositor in Belfast before heading off with his young family for a new life in Australia in 1887. Unfortunately, they chose to travel on the Kapunda so never made it.

The family left Guernsey after their mother Elizabeth (nee DIGMAN) died, along with her very young last-born child. Sad.
WHITTLEY - Donegore, Ballycraigy, Newtownards, Guernsey, PALI
WHITTLE - Dublin, Glenavy, Muckamore, Belfast; Jamaica; Norfolk (Virginia), Baltimore (Maryland), New York
CHAINE - Ballymena, Muckamore, Larne
EWART, DEWART - Portglenone, Ballyclare
McAFEE, WALKER - Ballyrashane

"You can't give kindness away enough, it keeps coming back to you."
Mark Twain (aka Samuel CLEMENTS) [Family from Ballynure, Co. Antrim.]


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Re: Deaths & Census WHITTLE / WHITTLEY
« Reply #3 on: Monday 17 July 06 16:23 BST (UK) »
Just discovered some further interesting information:

From contracts in the Greffe, the  DIGMANs/WILLIAMSONs (and hence the nest generation WHITTLEs) seem to have rented their houses in George Road from Matthew De PUTRON and wife Martha De BOURGAISE.

Later, in the 1850s, part of it got split off to a family named LAINE (with accent on the final "e"), who seem to have been name LIEVRE in the original lease of 1842.


Also, William WHITTLE and Elizabeth DIGMAN were married in the Eldad Chapel - the Protestant Dissenters Meeting House - in St. Peter Port.

This was also the church of the La LACHEUR family.
Their most famous son, William La LACHEUR, helped to develop the direct coffee trade with Costa Rica.  He was named after his maternal grandfather, Guillaume ALLEZ, a mariner.

See http://www.williamlelacheur.com/ for more info.


The possibility of links with the WHITTLEs is intriguing ...
WHITTLEY - Donegore, Ballycraigy, Newtownards, Guernsey, PALI
WHITTLE - Dublin, Glenavy, Muckamore, Belfast; Jamaica; Norfolk (Virginia), Baltimore (Maryland), New York
CHAINE - Ballymena, Muckamore, Larne
EWART, DEWART - Portglenone, Ballyclare
McAFEE, WALKER - Ballyrashane

"You can't give kindness away enough, it keeps coming back to you."
Mark Twain (aka Samuel CLEMENTS) [Family from Ballynure, Co. Antrim.]

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Re: Deaths & Census WHITTLE / WHITTLEY
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 18 July 06 16:23 BST (UK) »
Hi again,

I would like to ask for some further help in Census lookups.

Could some kind soul (Pam?!) please report on the following surnames in the 1841, 1851 and 1861 census for Guernsey:

DIGMAN
WHITTLE
WHITTLEY

Thanks,

John
WHITTLEY - Donegore, Ballycraigy, Newtownards, Guernsey, PALI
WHITTLE - Dublin, Glenavy, Muckamore, Belfast; Jamaica; Norfolk (Virginia), Baltimore (Maryland), New York
CHAINE - Ballymena, Muckamore, Larne
EWART, DEWART - Portglenone, Ballyclare
McAFEE, WALKER - Ballyrashane

"You can't give kindness away enough, it keeps coming back to you."
Mark Twain (aka Samuel CLEMENTS) [Family from Ballynure, Co. Antrim.]

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Re: Deaths & Census WHITTLE / WHITTLEY
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 19 July 06 05:35 BST (UK) »
1841 H0107/1460/11 folio 7 page 8 St Peter Port Guernsey

Ann Digman born Guernsey age 30
Elizabeth Digman age 10 born Guernsey

1841 H0107/1460/14 folio folio 18 page 31 St Peter Port Guernsey

Margt Digman age 38 born St Peter Port
Elizth Hughes age 18 born England
Henry Ross age 23 born England


1841 H0107/ 1460/2      page 11 no folio number  The Ca`tel  Guernsey

Margt Digman age 49 born England

Judith Le Perdevin age 40 born Guernsey
Mary Le Perdevin age 9 born Guernsey
 Thomas Le Perdevin age 15 born Guernsey

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oakley, Leadbeater, Hemming, Jones, Pearsall, Page,------ Aston, Leominster, Balsall Heath, Tewkesbury, Kings Norton, Birmingham.

census information are crown copyright of www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

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« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 19 July 06 07:40 BST (UK) »
1851 H0107/2530 Folio 418 page 15 St Peter Port Guernsey
38 Fountain Street

Daniel Du Putron widow age 61 born St Martin Guernsey  house builder employing 19 workman and 6 apprentices
Elizabeth dau age 23
Margaret Johns servant age 27

seems to be same address or house on property because next number is 36

Margaret Digman head age 59 born  England Annuitant unmarried

Elizabeth Digman cousin age 21 born Guernsey St Peter Port dressmaker
Mary Ann Kurze NURSE married age 40 born St Peter Port


1851 H0107/2530 folio 548 page 5 St Peter Port Guernsey



17 George Road

 Margaret Digman head age 46 born England widow Grocer employing 1 man

William Whitley  age 20 Grocer assistant born Ireland
William Hill nephew age 7 born Irelan
William Barningham widow age 50 Lodger paid by government born Ireland
William Hodges servant age 30 born ireland
Ellen Binkley ?? Benhley ? servant age 25 born Ireland

The census page says all the males were William and everyone but Margaret Digman came from Ireland


1861 RG9/4383 folio 33 page 19 St Peter Port Guernsey

74 Haunterille ??

 Margaret Digman head age 46 born England widow grocer


further up the page are the De Putrons

William S De Putron son age 27 wine merchant
Julia M De Putron dau age 22
Mellish M  De Putron son age 25 chemist
Rosabel C De Putron grandaughter age 4
Margaret Audoire house servant age 68
Maria Trimnel servant age 17

on the previous page are

73 Hauteville
Here are  the parents all the chiildren are single and all born St Peter Port
Francis De Putron age 63 Wine and Spririt Merchant 
Laura wife age 61
Charlotte dau age 31
Isabella dau age 29



1851 H0107/2530 folio  492 page 28 St Peter Port

3 Ross Place

Mary Whitley head age 37 married  fund holder born England

Alfred George Whitley  son age 1  born St Martin Guernsey
Catherine it has do for surname Whitley but if she is sister maybe it is not her surname sister age 36 fund holder  born England
Mary is listed as married maybe she is not married?


1851 Catel Guernsey H0107/2931 folio 266 page 29

Village Du Meil ?
Elizabeth Whitley head age 50 widow of pay Captain Army born England
Eliza M dau age 24 born England
Charles W D Whitley age 19 born England Chemist and Druggist Appr
Mary Ann Hall age 40 house servant


1861

William Whittley and family  as already posted previously

1861 RG /4376 Folio 57 page 13 St Martin Guernsey
Ruetle Braye Road

William Sprackling head age 27 born England Blacksmith
Catherine wife age 28 born England
John son age 1 born St Martins

Thomas Whittle age 18 born England boarder Carter


1871 St Peter Port RG10/5765 folio 57 page 13


5 Doyle? Street


kejia?? Kezia Hezia Whittle  born England age 33 Mariners wife

1881 Vessels Guernsey  RG 11/5628 folio 48 page   -8
address Ship Edissa

William Whittle born Portland  says widower  Ab seaman
enumerator has put black marks through most of names and ages


1881 St Johns Guernsey RG11/5624 folio 62 page 1

26 Canichers

 Wim Jas Whittle lodger age 42 widow seaman born England


William Priest head age 52 born England Plasterer and Bricklayer
Ann wife age 51 born England
Wm R Priest son age 21 born St Peter Port Plaster and Bricklayer
J C Priest  son age 16 born St Peter Port Tailor


1881 England census  RG11/5488  folio 84 page 15 Preston Quarter Cumberland

10 Solway View

Alfred Whittle head age 27 Ironmonger born Whitehaven Cumberland
Blanche Adelaide Whittle  wife age 23 born Adelaide South Australia
Charles De Ouelleville Whittle  son age 9 months born Guernsey
Arthur Whittle unmarried brother age 19 Ironmonger born Whitehaven
Edith Maude Robin sister in law unmarried age 19 born Guernsey
Sarah Ellen Moss servant age 17

1891 St Peter Port Guernsey RG12/4702 folio 9 page 12


Le Ferbre Street
William J Whittle head age 52 born England caretaker of Royal court
Elizabeth wife age 53 Caretaker of Royal court born St Peter Port
Jane Tucker boarder age 87 living on own means widow born England


1901 RG13/5321 folio 11 page  13 St Peter Port Guernsey

Le Ferbre Street?

 William Whittle head age  62 born England caretaker of court house
Elizabeth wife age 62 born Guernsey



1901 Rg13/5322  folio 119 no page number  St Sampson Guernsey

Vessel "Gladiateur"

Joseph W Whittle Master age 48  born St Helier Jersey Channel Islands Married
Peter Le Sueur Lemarquand age 41 Mate born St Helier single
Matthew Le Marchanas age 53 Carpenter born St Helier married


Pam
Jean Mawvun age 40 AB crew French single
Walter Chesel AB crew age 39 born St Helier single
oakley, Leadbeater, Hemming, Jones, Pearsall, Page,------ Aston, Leominster, Balsall Heath, Tewkesbury, Kings Norton, Birmingham.

census information are crown copyright of www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

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Re: Deaths & Census WHITTLE / WHITTLEY
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 01 August 06 14:13 BST (UK) »
Pam,

Thank you very very much for the work which you performed on the census extracts - much more than expected, in both scope and content.
You are a star!


I take it from your comments that you actually transcribed the information manually from online images.
[So your effort is even more impressive!]


Is this facility freely available to all?


[I'd like to sort out a few apparent inconsistencies:
 e.g.

MD reported as "born SPP" in 1841 (but "born E" in 1851 & after)?

MD aged 46 in both 1851 & 1861?

No relationship stated between MD & WW in 1851?
(It should be aunt/nephew.) ]


I was greatly amused by you finding the caretakers of the Royal Court.
I am currently engaged in translating legal contractual documents held in its repository - the Greffe - about the WHITTLE family. Learning that their surroundings were kept in good shape by a William WHITTLE later was a boon!

[I surmise, based on WW's stated ages in the census records,
 that he is quite likely in fact to be the WW mariner (b. 1838)
 who sailed aboard LACHEUR's ship the "America" in 1863,
 now retired (and remarried to a local girl, after being widowed sadly).]



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Everyone (!),

My initial post is yet to be answered.
Hope that I can re-invigorate you to help me out.


I want confirmation of the three deaths recorded during 1856-1860.

William Laine WHITTLE (d.29-MAR-1856)
William Allez WHITTLE (d.24-NOV-1859)
William Digman WHITTLEY (d. 27-FEB-1860)


They don't appear to be in the Greffe registers.

[I fought my way up to the SOG in London at the weekend.
 Not fun! (Stifling hot, tubes not running, equipment unfamiliar, ...)

 They hold the LDS microfilms of the Guernsey death records 1841-1963.

 MF3911 & MF3912 hold handwritten Index books.
 MF3913 & MF3914 hold handwritten formatted records
from "Registre General des Morts dans l'Isle de Guernsey".

 30 poorer and 8 hours later I'd drawn a blank.]

I read elsewhere that the Greffe registers are incomplete in coverage.
[e.g. civil registration of marriages was not compulsory until 1919.]
 

So the sought death records may be in church or cemetery records.


A transcription of one of them, taken many years ago, states:

-------------

Death Records from Brother's Cemetery/Strangers #729 list

William D. Whittley, age 42.

He died 27-OCT-1850.
(Other listing has death in 1860)

Born England.

Rec. by Martha Carey Oct. 31.

--------------

We would really, really, really like to get its source and accurate content confirmed!

Does anyone have access to this (these?) lists?

[Don't know what the "other listing" was.]


I saw Mike DeCar's index to the Stranger's graveyard.
Ref: http://www.genealogy.guernsey.net/Stranger.html .
However, a search there drew a blank.
[Think that it is only transcriptions of gravestones.]


I was encouraged by his note there stating that, from 1829, that particular cemetery was to be used for members of the garrison as well as for strangers.

However, I am now placing less emphasis on fort associations since it looks like the LAINE and ALLEZ surnames are definitely "of" the island.

I also discovered that the dates of each of the three deaths coincide exactly with the dates of registering at the Greffe of legal contracts associated with our known family's affairs.
There MUST be a connection with these three people!


Thanks once again,

John
WHITTLEY - Donegore, Ballycraigy, Newtownards, Guernsey, PALI
WHITTLE - Dublin, Glenavy, Muckamore, Belfast; Jamaica; Norfolk (Virginia), Baltimore (Maryland), New York
CHAINE - Ballymena, Muckamore, Larne
EWART, DEWART - Portglenone, Ballyclare
McAFEE, WALKER - Ballyrashane

"You can't give kindness away enough, it keeps coming back to you."
Mark Twain (aka Samuel CLEMENTS) [Family from Ballynure, Co. Antrim.]

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Re: Deaths & Census WHITTLE / WHITTLEY
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 01 August 06 16:58 BST (UK) »
Hello

the 1861 Census Margaret is 56 not 46
William Whitley is a Nephew on 1851 census


I am a subscriber to Ancestry cannot help with the deaths.
Glad to be of help with the census.

Regards Pam
oakley, Leadbeater, Hemming, Jones, Pearsall, Page,------ Aston, Leominster, Balsall Heath, Tewkesbury, Kings Norton, Birmingham.

census information are crown copyright of www.nationalarchives.gov.uk