Maban/Maben and Grierson Kells and Girthon

[GillSmith]

Your your a star...thanks I'm very interested. What's work?!!

Speak soon

Gill

[Gadget]

Work is defined as things I don't enjoy doing - everything else is fun 

Anyway, interim report:

I've searched for Bell, Grierson and Maben/Maban in the MIs of Kells, Kirkcudbright, Girthon, and then the closest parishes to Girthon - Kirkmabreck, Kirkdale, Creetown and Minnigaff. I can't find reference to any of your names.

I also checked out this list of deaths in Kirkcudbright 1826- 1853 from the Old Kirkcudbright website. Only one ref that might be of interest - infant son of Widow Maben in 1830.

http://www.old-kirkcudbright.net/genealogy/oprDeaths/index.asp

There is an interesting article about Kirkcudbright in 1821 - none of yours listed but worth a read anyway, if you've not done so already

http://www.old-kirkcudbright.net/papers/1821.asp

I'll have a look at a few other sources but it's all very strange. Mind you, I recall that there  was a period in the 1770s-1790s when some people refused to pay for baptismal entries (think they were increased to pay for Americanand French wars). The bairns were baptized, just not entered in the registers 

Gadget

PS I've modified this message about 3 times - I should proof read more carefully or type more slowly 

[GillSmith]

Hi again Gadget

Not working is much more fun!

I'm perplexed......however I remembered where I'd seen a Janet Bell.

I looked up LDS and found Eshter Bell born around 1767 and christened 26 April of that year to Janet Jardine and John Bell, Kirkmichael, Dumfrieshire. They appaer to have had 8 children the last bairn being born 1774.

Now if indeed this is my family it would explain why at least the Bells aren't in Kirkcudbrightshire Births.

Thomas Maben is a complete mystery.

Thanks for your help it's helped solved at least some of the puzzell, and am I puzzelled!

Are you in Kirkcudbrighshire?

[GillSmith]

I see that you have Flintshire/ Denbighshire interests I live in Denbs. Is there anything I can do to help you in return?

Gill

[Gadget]

Hi Gill

I do have a few Joneses that cause me some grief 

Thomas Maben is strange - a general British Isles search on the IGI only brings up a few around his broad possible birthdate - some Clyde area, some Roxburgh others England.

I was wondering about the Isles of Man  As he was a master mariner, he need not have come from the area at all. Both Gatehouse, Creetown and Kirkcudbright were navigable in those days with a lot of coastal/Irish Sea trade.

Gadget

[GillSmith]

I'll have a look at the IOM. I had wondered if he had been born in Ireland.

Now I do understand that Jones can be a problem...a big problem.

Thanks for the suggestion, I'll investigate.

Just shout if I can help you.

Thanks
Gill

[Gadget]

Gill -

What are the names of their children - in birth order.

I've been looking through the BIVRI, which lists two:

26 April 1811, Girthon, Margaret, d/o Thomas Maben and Agnes Grierson

23 Sept 1818, now in Kirkcudbright, Esther, d/o Thomas Maybone and Agnes Grierson

both are births rather than baptisms.

Gadget


PS only the Roxburgh one for Thomas 

[GillSmith]

I only have the ones that you've noted and

Thomas 11/03/1821

William 29/09/1823

and my 3x times great grandmother sometime around 1820 - Marion Maban

I think there were Mabans around the Parton area too

Thanks

Gill

[Gadget]

Just a thought -

Because of the long gap - Napoleonic Wars. There's a list somewhere on the web of D & G men who served and they're on the Nat Archive site.

So we have:

1810 - marriage - Girthon
1811 - Margaret - Girthon
1818 - Esther - Kirkcudbright
1819/20 -Marion - ? Kircudbright
1821 - Thomas - ? Kirkcudbright
1823 - William - ? Kirkcudbright.

Just using a bit of variation from the Scottish Naming Patterns -

Margaret - an important local personage/family member or Thomas' mother
Esther - Agnes' mother
Marion - ? poss Thomas' mother
Thomas and William - either fathers?

This is all conjecture 

I'll have a look at Parton - but then you've got Crossmichael, Balmaclellan and Kelton/Castle Douglas as well 

Gadget