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Offline D ap D

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65th and 66th Regiments
« on: Tuesday 08 August 06 09:19 BST (UK) »
This is my first real venture into the realms of military research. I'm sure there is someone out there who can help me.

I found a death notice in the Times:

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The Times - April 30 1896
Deaths

CROMPTON – on the 16th inst at 16 Ladbroke Gardens W. Colonel William Joshua Crompton formerly of the 65th and 66th Regiments aged 89. No flowers.

Col Crompton is the younger brother of my 4x gf.

Now the 65th Regiment was the (2nd Yorkshire, North Riding)  Regiment of Foot, amalgamated in 1881. This would make sense, as William was born in the North Riding.

The 66th was however the Berkshire Regiment of Foot. This was also amalgamated in 1881.

By 1881 William had however retired.

Question: why would he have transferred from a Yorkshire regiment to a Berkshire regiment?

Also, Williams children were born in Dublin in 1851, 1854 and 1856. His last child was born in 1857 in the Pyrenees.

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The Times, Jun 6 1857
On Monday, the 1st inst. at Bagderes de Bigorre, Hautes Pyrenees the lady of Col William Crompton, of a daughter

Question 2: Which regiment would have been in Dublin between 1851 and 1856? And what would he have been doing in the Pyrenees?

Looking forward to your ideas.

D
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William Williams of Llanllyfni
John Jones in Llanelli
Evan Evans in Caio
David Davies of Llansanffraid
Evans: Caio/Carms
Jones: CDG, DEN

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Re: 65th and 66th Regiments
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 08 August 06 11:27 BST (UK) »
Hi D

He was getting on a bit when he had his children!  Born in 1807, he would have been 44, 47, 49 and 50 respectively when they were born.   8)

Do you think he might have retired from the army by 1857?  Perhaps he had decided to go on the Grand Tour?

1857 was the year that the 2nd Opium War began, when the UK and France declared war on China.

Regards, Bill
Banks, Beer, Bowes, Castle, Cloak, Coachworth, Dixon, Farr, Golder, Graves, Hicks, Hogbin, Holmans, Marsh, Mummery, Nutting, Pierce, Rouse, Sawyer, Sharp, Snell, Willis: mostly in East Kent.
Ey, Sawyer: London
Evans: Ystradgynlais, Wales
Snell: Snettisham, Norfolk
Knight, Burgess, Ellis: Hampshire
Purdy: Ireland/Canada/Durham/Pennsylvania
McCann: Ireland
Morrow: Pennsylvania
Sparnon: any
Beers, Heath, Conyers, Miller, Russell, Larson, Clark, Sibert, Hopper, Reinhart: USA

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Re: 65th and 66th Regiments
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 08 August 06 11:35 BST (UK) »
not sure when he retired, but I assume that he was granted his rank of Colonel when he retired, so he won't be listed as in charge of any regiment.

There were a couple of other, earlier children. I've not found their dates of birth yet though.

D
Stuck with:
William Williams of Llanllyfni
John Jones in Llanelli
Evan Evans in Caio
David Davies of Llansanffraid
Evans: Caio/Carms
Jones: CDG, DEN

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Re: 65th and 66th Regiments
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 08 August 06 16:28 BST (UK) »
D
officers moved regiments all the time, mostly to get promotion, usually by purchase

bill, there was the little matter of a mutiny in India in 1857 ;)

Bagnères-de-Bigorre was also the birthplace of Field Marshal Alan Francis Brooke, (1st Viscount Alanbrooke)

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Re: 65th and 66th Regiments
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 08 August 06 16:37 BST (UK) »
Yes - I hadn't forgotten that; I was looking for a possible military link with France.

This was one of the few times when we were on the same side!!   ;D

Regards, Bill
Banks, Beer, Bowes, Castle, Cloak, Coachworth, Dixon, Farr, Golder, Graves, Hicks, Hogbin, Holmans, Marsh, Mummery, Nutting, Pierce, Rouse, Sawyer, Sharp, Snell, Willis: mostly in East Kent.
Ey, Sawyer: London
Evans: Ystradgynlais, Wales
Snell: Snettisham, Norfolk
Knight, Burgess, Ellis: Hampshire
Purdy: Ireland/Canada/Durham/Pennsylvania
McCann: Ireland
Morrow: Pennsylvania
Sparnon: any
Beers, Heath, Conyers, Miller, Russell, Larson, Clark, Sibert, Hopper, Reinhart: USA

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Re: 65th and 66th Regiments
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 08 August 06 16:56 BST (UK) »

Hi D ap D !

Heres the movements of both regiments .... see if you can match up the births of the children !!  :)

65th
    
1817   absorbed 400 men from 2nd Bn, 56th Foot
1819   Persian Gulf   
1820   India: Bombay   
1819   Kutch   
1821   Persian Gulf   
1821   India   
1822.08   at sea   
1822   England & Scotland   
1824   Ireland   
1829   West Indies & Demerara   
1837   Nova Scotia   
1838   Canada   
1838   Canada   
1841.08   England   
1843   Ireland   
1845   England   
1845   New South Wales   
1846.11   New Zealand   
1846.11   Maori war   
1847   New Zealand   
1860   Maori wars   
1865   England   
1867   Ireland   
1871   India
1881.07.01
1st Battalion, The York and Lancaster Regiment
1881 India: Bengal
1882 Aden
1884 Sudan
1884.1England: Dover
1885 Sheffield
1888 Ireland: Birr
1891 Cork
1895 England: Colchester
1899 South Africa 11 Bde
1902 India: Mhow
1905 Quetta
1910 Karachi
1913 Jubbulpore
1915.01 France and Flanders 28 Div
1915.11 Macedonia

66th regiment

1817 St. Helena guard for Napoleon
1817 66th Regiment of Foot
redesignated upon absorbing 2nd Battalion at St. Helena
1821 England
1823 Ireland
1827 Canada
1840 England
1843 Ireland
1845 Gibraltar
1848 West Indies
1851 Canada
1854 England
1854 Gibraltar
1856 England
1857 India
1859 India
1865 England
1867 Channel Islands
1868 Ireland
1870 India
1880 Afghanistan
1880.10 India
1881.07.01
2nd Battalion, The Princess of Charlotte of Wales's (Berkshire Regiment)
1881 England: Parkhurst
1883 Chatham
1885 Ireland: Athlone
1888 Templemore
1891 Cork
1893 England: Portland
1895 England: Aldershot
1897 Cape Colony
1899 South Africa
1902 Egypt
1906 India: Subathu
1909 Meerut
1912 Jhansi
1914.11 France and Flanders 8 Div
1919 Ireland: Dublin
1919 Russia (one coy)

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Re: 65th and 66th Regiments
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 09 August 06 08:13 BST (UK) »
Thanks for all your help, in particular all those dates Annie... :o

Unfortunately, none of seem to tie in with the births of his children. Oh well, I've just started this branch, so I'll keep ploughing on.


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Stuck with:
William Williams of Llanllyfni
John Jones in Llanelli
Evan Evans in Caio
David Davies of Llansanffraid
Evans: Caio/Carms
Jones: CDG, DEN

Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

"Nor do I think that any other nation than this of Wales, or any other tongue, whatever may hereafter come to pass, shall on the day of the great reckoning before the Most High Judge, answer for this corner of the earth": The Old Man of Pencader to Henry II

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Re: 65th and 66th Regiments
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 09 July 19 08:54 BST (UK) »
You still researching Col. Crompton. Did you find all children incl an England Rugby International Charles Arthur, Cork 21/10/1848? Message me bpwg@sky.com