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Offline Valda

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Re: Illegitimate birth
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 22 August 06 21:45 BST (UK) »
FreeBMD coverage only goes up to about 1912, so she would be a bit young to have married by then.

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Re: Illegitimate birth
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 22 August 06 21:54 BST (UK) »
OK Valda - thanks for your efforts - I will plod on and search.  I am more convinced than ever, after looking myself that Joseph Wigglesworth was Ellen's father as Kath said (Fanny's brother-in-law).  I was told by the son of one of the other sisters in the family (Volla) to look for a brother-in-law, except he didn't know who, only that the surname was Wigglesworth.

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« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 22 August 06 22:37 BST (UK) »
Joseph and/or any of his brothers - they would also  be 'brothers-in-law' of a sort. If it actually was Joseph wouldn't that rather have split the family apart - Emily's sister having a relationship with her husband?

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Re: Illegitimate birth
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 23 August 06 07:55 BST (UK) »
Still haven't found Emily or Joseph on the 1901, not giving up though :P

Have you seen Fanny on the 1901?  I found her yesterday married to George Goodall, but I notice that Ellen is not living with them and nor is she with her maternal grandparents.

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Bladen (Tipton, & Yorks), Teece, Cooke(Coalville), Stott (Staffs), Carr, Armitage, Henrickson, Lisle (Yorks), Pailing, Stott, Leach, Davies (Llanasa), Taylor, McDonald, Garry, Brackenbury, Brand, Rewston
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Re: Illegitimate birth
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 23 August 06 08:09 BST (UK) »
1901 census RG13 4431 folio 50
Cliff Fever Hospital Garforth  Yorkshire 
Nellie Goodall  6  Allerton Bywater, Yorkshire, Patient 
also a patient Louise Clarkson aged 18 born Allerton Bywater

Nellie is a pet form for Helen/Ellen/Eleanor etc.

My aunt spent months in a fever hospital when she was a child, in her case for diptheria.

You can and always have been allowed to be known by any name you want so there would be no reason for Ellen not to be able to use the surname Goodall.

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Re: Illegitimate birth
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 23 August 06 08:16 BST (UK) »
Fantastic, thats explained Ellen's whereabouts.

Had a quick look at the marriage indexes and struck lucky, Thomas W Stannard and Ellen W Clarkson married in the qtr Jul- Sep 1919, District of Pontefract, Vol 9c, page 352.

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Re: Illegitimate birth
« Reply #15 on: Wednesday 23 August 06 10:29 BST (UK) »
Hi Valda.
Yes, the family would have been split apart with a scandal like that.  As a child I remember Fanny and Emily and they never seemed to meet and my late mother made hints about a family scandal but wouldn't enlarge on it.  I too have thought it may have been a brother of Joseph, but how on earth can I find that out?  Aargh !!

Also discovered 'Nellie' Goodall in 1901 in the Cliff Fever hospital, and have 'Googled' it to see if there are any records, but cannot find it - shut down years ago I expect.  Asked about it on here weeks ago, but no replies.

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Re: Illegitimate birth
« Reply #16 on: Wednesday 23 August 06 10:36 BST (UK) »
Hi Kath.  Yes, I have found Fanny married to George Goodall in 1901 and also Nellie Goodall in the Cliff Fever hospital, but where on earth are Emily and Joseph - I cannot track them down.  Great you have found Thomas and Ellen's marriage - thank you.  Oh I'll get no housework done today !!

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Re: Illegitimate birth
« Reply #17 on: Wednesday 23 August 06 11:20 BST (UK) »
'Also at the top of the Cliff used to be the Scarlet Fever hospital, but now I am going back to just after the war.'

'the old fever hospital was bought by a friend of ours and is converted into a lovely house'

quotes from Ted and Enid in the Yorkshire Post.

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