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Offline Ronin

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Re: Robert Arthur Carter - Travelling Circus?
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 23 August 06 09:02 BST (UK) »
Thanks for this,

I am trying to contact him directly to discover if there is an ancestral link.

I have another thread running with more help and suggestions and it does seem to be coming together.  Does anyone know of a way to find Robert Carter's father.  I am about to try to match using the Mary Carter suggested by KarenM.

Many thanks,

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Barnett (Norfolk - Esp Fakenham and Barney)
Kettle (Sapcote)
Gooderham (Norfolk)
Shaw (Scotland)

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Re: Robert Arthur Carter - Travelling Circus?
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 23 August 06 09:39 BST (UK) »
Just 'painter' as an occupation given on a census, nearly always meant painter as in painter and decorator.
To distinguish themselves from the more menial, people who painted pictures, did not usually give painter as their occupation on censuses, they gave more detailed occupations such as

Artist Portrait Painter
Painter Artist (Artist)
Water Colourer (Painter Artist)

Artist could cover many other occupations not just painting.

Circus Artist Performer
Artist (Dancer At Theatre)
Artist Singer

All occupations taken from the 1881 census.

There was a fine distinction between the use of the word painter and the use of the word artist. You didn't want people to confuse you with an ordinary painter and decorator, so it was important to emphasise the artistic nature of your work. Artist also sounded a little more sophisticated than just a circus performer so again the emphasis on the artistic nature of the occupation.

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Re: Robert Arthur Carter - Travelling Circus?
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 23 August 06 09:53 BST (UK) »
Thanks Valda,

this Robert Arthur Carter appears as both - A painter in 1881 and an Artist on birth registration documents some time later.  The performing artist link is quite an interesting one as Bill Cody's show has had occasional mentions in the family's history - maybe a dead end but hopefully I will find out more with time.  An acrobat, horserider or clown would be a great discovery!

Ronin
Saunt
Rudd
Tudor
Shingles
Carter (Canada)
Pointer (Norfolk)
Murray (Scotland)
Barnett (Norfolk - Esp Fakenham and Barney)
Kettle (Sapcote)
Gooderham (Norfolk)
Shaw (Scotland)

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Re: Robert Arthur Carter - Travelling Circus?
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 23 August 06 09:55 BST (UK) »
Hi KarenM,

is there an address associated with the 1881 boarding house from your source?  I wondered whether it matched the address you found on the birth registration document.  This is great...

Ronin
Saunt
Rudd
Tudor
Shingles
Carter (Canada)
Pointer (Norfolk)
Murray (Scotland)
Barnett (Norfolk - Esp Fakenham and Barney)
Kettle (Sapcote)
Gooderham (Norfolk)
Shaw (Scotland)

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Re: Robert Arthur Carter - Travelling Circus?
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 23 August 06 11:47 BST (UK) »
You will have to prove the painter and the artist are the same man? Robert Carter is a relatively common name and Toronto was a city of a reasonable size in 1881 - population 86,400 with nearly 2 million in Ontario as a whole.

If the Robert Carter you are interested was in some way a performing artist - why would he described himself as a painter in 1881, if he was even in Toronto in that year, since by the very nature of performing artists they were/are usually constantly on the move?

As well as the address comparison, see if anyone can do a lookup on the later censuses to see if Robert the painter was still in Toronto.

Regards

Valda
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Re: Robert Arthur Carter - Travelling Circus?
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 23 August 06 16:47 BST (UK) »
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