Agnes Morgan and John Hair Arrival Help please

[jthair]

I found out why I have not been able to find her. Ancestry.co.uk have her indexed as Mary A Hake born in Harwell, Northumberland, England. They realy messed my family up on the 1861 census, what with Harro and Hake and changing Haswell, Durham to Harwell, Northumberland. A good reasson to troll through the images from time to time.
I did notice the folio was 81.

Thanks again

John

[jthair]

hello there

had a look at the 1851 census and cannot match Mary Hare there


the two URWIN girls on the 1861 census to my working out are the daughters of Elizabeth ROXBY  born  1820 c Haghton, Durham, England

and James Urwin married in 1839

so they tie in with the Roxby name as well.

regards jenn

Elizabeth's Father was a Robert Roxby a pitman on her marriage to James Urwin and a Coal Miner on her marriage to Thomas Adamson could this be the same Robert Roxby that was the witness or perhaps his son?

John

[tropicalj]

Hello  there
I downloded a copy of Robert Roxby's wedding certificate Reg no 3289

18th July, 1864 at the Minister's Residence in Rutherglen

Robert Roxby Bachelor aged 27 born South Hetton? Durham, Engand engineer father John Roxby Surveyor mother Jane Roxby nee Rowell

Ellen Dunphy spinster aged 21 born Kilkenny Ireland
father Martin Dunphy mother Margaret Dunphy nee Phelan
now the witness's names are Hugh Cain and Elizabeth Elliott


So this information  may help JT in determining a family link

regards Jenn 
PS  how many times  do  we tell folks to get the marriage certificate cause it  usually contains the most information, and in this case it certainly did, the death certificate  wasn't going to show his mother's maiden name

[jthair]

Hello  there
I downloded a copy of Robert Roxby's wedding certificate Reg no 3289

18th July, 1864 at the Minister's Residence in Rutherglen

Robert Roxby Bachelor aged 27 born South Hetton? Durham, Engand engineer father John Roxby Surveyor mother Jane Roxby nee Rowell

Ellen Dunphy spinster aged 21 born Kilkenny Ireland
father Martin Dunphy mother Margaret Dunphy nee Phelan
now the witness's names are Hugh Cain and Elizabeth Elliott


So this information  may help JT in determining a family link

regards Jenn 
PS  how many times  do  we tell folks to get the marriage certificate cause it  usually contains the most information, and in this case it certainly did, the death certificate  wasn't going to show his mother's maiden name

I don't think that he is the father of Elizabeth as her first marriage was in 1838. I will check things out.

John

[jthair]

I did have a thought or two on  that
a. did she die before 1860 as we cannot find her on the census
b. did she die elsewhere in england perhaps on route to the ship?
c. did she die on the ship

regard jenn

Sorry I am a bit late getting back but I just recently found a burial for an Isabella Short in Houghton-le-Spring 18 August 1851, this about two miles from where my Isabella was born. The information I have is Isabella Short of Haswell aged 43 which is about what I calculate her age (42 years 106 days) with this year. Her husband's MI shows 16 Aug. I am hoping to get an MI to try and confirm this is her. If it is her the son aged three on the 1861 census cant be her son.

John

[jthair]

I believe the John Roxby that married Ellen Dunphy may be the son of John Roxby son of Robert Roxby and Anne Wilson. Robert Roxby was Isabella Roxby, Who married John Short. parents to MAry Ann. I have yet to prove he was the one to mary Jane Rowell.

John

[jthair]

After a search of the various census it does look like the son of Robert Roxby, John Roxby, married Jane Rowell.

John

[tropicalj]

Hello  there John

So  now  it would appear  that Robert Roxby just  might  have  known  that  John Hair  was allready  married  back  in  England!!

regards JEnn

[jthair]

A very good chance, now I wonder which one of them came up with the idea to go to Australia. Was that about the time of the gold mining?

John