Blue family, Kilmun

[gblue42]

WOW!!

Thank you Monica for the private message and thank you to you and thrall for all of this documentation in the thread.  I'm sure blueth will respond with excitement soon.  This is looking very promising.  I've traded several private emails with Hilary (blueth) and don't have nearly as much as you have in the short time you've been working on it except that he's supposed to have emmigrated to Ireland around age 17 or 18.  I'm at work right at the moment but will have time to digest all of this when I get home.  I just hope I can concentrate on my work until then.  This is SO exciting!!

Gerry

[MonicaL]

Ok, this is where it gets a bit more confusing!

The golden rule of genealogy........verify verify verify....

We have two couples, both John and Margaret nee Fersugon. The second couple married in Glasgow, from IGI:

JOHN BLUE  Marriages: Spouse: MARGARET FERGUSON    
Marriage:  31 AUG 1860  High Church, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland

So from the original list of IGI births showing for a John Blue and Margaret Ferguson:

First couple. John shows as seaman on birth certs:
1. ARCHIBALD BLUE Birth: 19 APR 1856 Clyde, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
2. COLIN BLUE Birth: 24 MAY 1858 Tradeston, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland

Second couple. John shows as hammerman, and some certs show the wedding date of 1860. I've viewed the first three.
1. CATHERINE BLUE Birth: 30 SEP 1860 High Church, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
2. DANIEL BLUE Birth: 31 DEC 1861 High Church, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
3. MARGARET BLUE Birth: 02 NOV 1863 Central District, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
4. DENNIS BLUE Birth: 20 NOV 1865 Central District, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
5. JOHN BLUE Birth: 06 AUG 1868 Central District, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
6. DENIS BLUE Birth: 26 JUL 1873 Calton, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
7. JANE BLUE Birth: 11 JUN 1871 High Church, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland


Archibald and Colin don't show anywhere in Scotland in 1861 under Blue (never mind Dugald). Given the profession of John father in the children's birth certs. I can understand him missing the census, but not all the family. Aside from whether Blue may have been mis-indexed, I am now wondering whether the whole family left for Ireland (not just Dugald) sooner than you may have thought. There are no deaths showing for a Margaret Blue other name Ferguson with a birth year of 1825 +/- 10yrs (which would be well within the age range of the Margaret showing as age 22 in 1851 Kilmun).

I also wondered if you had the death cert for Dugald in Ireland and whether it showed his father's occupation. Is there any history of his brothers (and any other siblings) also living in Ireland.

Regards.

Monica

[MonicaL]

My last one before I snap shut my laptop!

Is this relevant or is it just wishful thinking on my part! From IGI Ireland to parents John Blue and Margaret Ferguson:

1. ROBINA BLUE  Birth: 17 APR 1869 , Limerick, Ireland
2. JESSIE BLUE Birth: 16 MAY 1867 , Cork, Ireland
3. HUGH BLUE Birth: 24 SEP 1864 0260, Shanagolden, Limerick, Ireland

[Merryb]

I am so excited!!  I am Gerry's sister Merry and written down by family members is that John Blue was a steam ship master (listed on Dugald's marriage registry in Limerick) and he (John) had 7 sons, no mention of daughters.  They were reported to have left Scotland for all parts of the world.  There was an Archibald for sure as he is listed on the marriage registry as witness.  The birthdate I have for Dugald is May 24, 1852.  Thanks for all of your time.  Merry - California

[gblue42]

Also, another BLUE researcher who read this thread suggested an alternate surname search on "McGuirmin" which apparently somewhere prior to 1820 became "Blue".  It's a long shot but probably worth a query.

Gerry

[LA.Blue]

Hi ! Just joining the discussion but unfortunately don't have anything to add of use.
I have heard of this name change but so far it hasn't helped me find connections to my Mary Blue who died in 1868 aged 81 in Kilcalmonell & Kilberry.  Her parents were given as Dugald Blue, Cotter, and Christine Graham. 
I will be keeping a keen eye on this thread in the hope of finding siblings for her.  I have her own family.

[MonicaL]

Hi LA.Blue

Welcome to Rootschat!

There is one entry on IGI for the birth of a Mary Blue to father Dugald. Only father's name is given, no mother's details. This is an actual extract from the Old Parish Registers (OPRs):

MARY BLUE  Christening:  24 JUN 1789   Kilcalmonell And Kilberry, Argyll, Scotland
Parents:Father: DUGALD BLUE

These are all the entries for births for that period in Kilcalmonell and Kilberry from IGI. So happens, they all have father showing as Dugald and no mother's details. I can't tell you whether they were siblings to Mary (or indeed, if the entry above is Mary's) but it might provide you with some clues. You might be able to trace them through to official registration from 1855 and verify through their death certs, if available, who their mother was:

1. DUGALD BLUE  Christening: 26 FEB 1784 Kilcalmonell And Kilberry, Argyll, Scotland
2. DUGALD BLUE Birth: 1811 Kilcalmonell And Kilberry, Argyll, Scotland
3. FLORY BLUE Christening: 16 OCT 1796 Kilcalmonell And Kilberry, Argyll, Scotland
5. MARY BLUE Birth: 18 NOV 1802 Kilcalmonell And Kilberry, Argyll, Scotland
6. ANGUS BLUE Christening: 29 JUL 1786 Kilcalmonell And Kilberry, Argyll, Scotland
7. ANGUS BLUE Birth: 20 OCT 1800 Kilcalmonell And Kilberry, Argyll, Scotland

Where Christening dates are given, remember that christenings were sometimes days/months/years after their birth year and should be used as a guide re birth year only.

There are no marriage entries showing for Dugald and Christina Graham. Looking at the batch codes for IGI, it may be that OPRs are not available before certain dates for Kilcalmonell and Kilberry (see http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hughwallis/IGIBatchNumbers/CountyArgyll.htm#K:

C115161     1855-1875     M115161     1855-1875     
C115162     1777-1820     M115162     1784-1820     
C115164     1820-1854     M115164     1820-1855     
                                     M115165   -1823/-1832



The C codes are births/christenings and the M codes are marriages.

Regards.

Monica

[MonicaL]

Hi Gerry, Merry and Blueth

Boy, am I relieved there is some ref to the sea for John's occupation from Dugald's marriage cert in Ireland!

If you could PM me with an email address, I'd be happy to send you further details of the certs. I have viewed.  My final contribution re John's parents, Dugald Blue and Mary Bell. This looks like them in the 1841 Census at http://www.freecen.org.uk/ (free census site)

Address: Achandiae,  Kilcalmonll-Kilberry-Argyllshire

BLUE       Dougald   43       Ag Labourer        Argyllshire    
BLUE       (Mrs)       44                  Argyllshire    
BLUE       Archibald    15                  Argyllshire    
BLUE       Colin       12                  Argyllshire    
BLUE       Christina    10                  Argyllshire    

I think this might be John working away from home:        

Address: Munichele, : Kilcalmonll-Kilberry-Argyllshire

MCNAIR   John    60       Farmer        Argyllshire        
MCNAIR   Christina   53               Argyllshire        
MCNAIR   Peter    20       Ag Labourer        Argyllshire        
MCNAIR   John    5                Argyllshire        
GALBRAITH    John    20       Ag Labourer        Argyllshire        
BLUE       John    14       Ag Labourer        Argyllshire    
MCMILLIAN    John    25       Shoemaker        Argyllshire
MCARTHUR    Bell    27       Female Servant    Argyllshire            
    
There is info on IGI re father Dougald Blue:
DUGALD BLUE     Marriages: Spouse: MARY BELL         
Marriage:  27 JAN 1821   Kilcalmonell And Kilberry, Argyll, Scotland
Christening:     22 MAY 1797   Lochkiarran, Kilcalmonell, Argyll, Scotland
Death:     21 OCT 1879   Ardpatrick, Kilberry, Argyll, Scotland
Parents: Father:  Donald Blue   Mother: Margaret Brown

If you do a parent search on IGI (simply put in father Donald Blue and mother Margaret Brown and then click on British Isles/Scotland) you will see details of what looks like Donald Blue's siblings with submitted birth/christening/marriage/death details (luckily the family seem to have been well researched in this period).

This looks like details on Donald Snr:
Donald Blue  Birth: About 1767, Of Kilcalmonell, Argyll, Scotland
Death:  Before 1841      
Marriages: Spouse: Margaret Brown Marriage: 13 JAN 1792 

And Margaret Brown:
Margaret Brown  Birth: About 1771 Of Kilcalmonell, Argyll, Scotland
Death: Before 1851      
Marriages: Spouse: Donald Blue    


Mother Mary Bell died at the age of 89 in early 1881.    Parents David Bell and Elizabeth McMillan. Unfortunately, in Mary's case, I cannot easily see anything on IGI for her. If you search for her and husband Dugald in the 1851-71 censuses, it will give details of her birth place which at least will let you narrow down your research for her.
 

Regards to you all!

Monica

[blueth]

Hi Monica and Thrall, I am very much still with you, just rather overwhelmed by all this info! Takes a while to digest. I have a copy of Dugald's death cert. It states -DoD 3rd Feb 1928, age 75,Occup: commercial traveller, present at registration Dugald, place of death 3 Fairfield Park, Dublin.
I am going to try and get someone to investigate the few remaining census in Ireland. If they give place of birth there it'll probably just say Scotland, but it's worth a try.
Very many thanks for all your work, it'a amazing and so exciting. My e-mail is
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