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Re: 1881 what does it say?
« Reply #18 on: Wednesday 20 September 06 23:03 BST (UK) »
Ahhhhhhhh Suey,slight problem here though.

Baby is same name as mum Mary Elizabeth ......not Mary Ann.

It is grandma and her youngest daughter who are Mary Ann(Hooper)

Not convinced it IS Hall now........sorry.

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Re: 1881 what does it say?
« Reply #19 on: Wednesday 20 September 06 23:15 BST (UK) »
Have just checked all the John Hall's married in June 1878,there is not one in Kensington I'm afraid  :(

Back to the drawing board.
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Re: 1881 what does it say?
« Reply #20 on: Thursday 21 September 06 10:08 BST (UK) »
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Have just checked all the John Hall's married in June 1878,there is not one in Kensington I'm afraid 

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Marriage - Mary Hooper - Kensington RD - June Qtr 1878 - Vol 1a page 223

There are only two names on the page, there should be 4 ie 2 couples, looks as though John Hall has not yet been transcribed


Again Mary E could be a mistake on the census - I'd say that if you are looking for a Mary Hooper and you know the one in 1881 is yours because her mother is with her, order the birth cert for the Mary above but say you only want the cert if the mothers maiden name is Hooper.

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Re: 1881 what does it say?
« Reply #21 on: Thursday 21 September 06 15:26 BST (UK) »
I have not been convinced by the Hall theory as if you look at the H for Head which follows it is hard to see that they are the same.  How about Mcall or something similar?   Can you find them on another census and see what that says?
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Re: 1881 what does it say?
« Reply #22 on: Thursday 21 September 06 15:45 BST (UK) »

I looked at the 1891 this morning - zilch, but that's not to say they are'nt there somewhere

Looking at marriages and using free BMD for Mary Hooper, London between 1877 and 1833 throws up the surnames Bristow, Bolton, Scott and Edwards with first name John - and one William John with no surname, the Mary on that page is Mary Charlotte...having said that some pages only have 2 or three names so not all spouses are showing.

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Re: 1881 what does it say?
« Reply #23 on: Thursday 21 September 06 16:10 BST (UK) »
I have looked at 1891 too.  they do not seem to appear!   In 1871 there is a John Cleal born Pddington at about the right time.
Could one of the squiggles be a second initial for John?   One is obviously coming down from the entry above.  Try wiping that out and see what it looks like!
I am sure that the age for Mary E is 7 weeks.  Look at the k in Cook for Mary Hooper's occupation and it is exactly the same.  I think the way forward is to write to the local office and ask them to look for a birth where the mother's name is Hooper?  You can give a fairly precise date.
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Re: 1881 what does it say?
« Reply #24 on: Thursday 21 September 06 17:38 BST (UK) »
Hi,

I think it looks like DEALL   :-\

there is this birth,

Mary Ethel DEAL Mar Q  1881  Kensington  v.1a  p.163


Oh, but now I've found this marriage which may be her parents,

George Herbert DEALL Mar Q 1880  Kensington  v.1a p.23
Mary Ethel LEE on same page ???

if so not the Mary E Jnr you want  :-\


Now I'm confusing myself  :) but I still think it looks like DEALL :)

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Re: 1881 what does it say?
« Reply #25 on: Thursday 21 September 06 20:07 BST (UK) »
I had considered the D theory too!  We must solve this soon....
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Re: 1881 what does it say?
« Reply #26 on: Thursday 21 September 06 21:55 BST (UK) »
I think it says "Hall" or "Hull".

Both Mary's (Mum and daughter) were born in Honiton in Devon(shire).  How did John and Mary meet if he was born in Paddington? 

Did he move to Devon?  There is one John Hall born "London, Middlesex" living in Devon on the 1871 census, but his age is slightly out.  He was 16, or so it says, and he was working as a footman.  Would a footman progress to being a porter by 1881?

Just surmising.....will keep looking.


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