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Offline william james

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Re: HOWLETT in Suffolk
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 26 September 06 10:53 BST (UK) »
Hi Andrew
I saw your post and don't know if this will help you or not, but here goes,
I have the name Howlettt in my tree.
Mary Ann Howlett married John Cocksedge in Rougham.
Mary Ann was born in 1769 and died in 1817.
John Cocksedge was my 4xg grandfather.
I don't have a marriage date but i have there first child's baptism as abt 9 sept 1798 ( Zachariah ) .
I also have an Ellen Elizabeth Howlett born in the sept 1/4 of 1883 in Woolpit Suffolk who married a John Rice 1904 in Woolpit.
John Rice was my 2xg uncle.
Hope this might be of help to you.
William James
Rice, Sadler, Cocksedge, Mulley,from Suffolk. Minter, Smith, Holding, Warcus, from London.Courtney, Smith, from Dorset. Pearl, from Suffolk/ Hampshire.

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Re: HOWLETT in Suffolk
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 26 September 06 19:55 BST (UK) »
hi william
thanks for the info, i cant yet see where that would fit in but i'll keep in mind :)


i know that there were HOWLETTs in the Woolpit and Framlingham areas of Suffolk but at the moment i think that Mildenhall is my link to finding the rest.

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Re: HOWLETT in Suffolk
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 26 September 06 23:37 BST (UK) »
I had been keeping out of this discussion as it centred on the Lackford Hundred.
But ... if you are ever looking for Howlett's in Framlingham, that's where I can help, just a little bit  ;D

SM ...
Every time I find an ancestor,
I have to find two more!

SUFFOLK - Pendle, Stygall, Pipe, Fruer, Bridges, Fisk, Bellamy, Sparham - all link to  Framlingham 
DERBY - Bridges and Frost (originally Framlingham/Parham)
NOTTINGHAM - Lambert & Selby
BERKSHIRE/then Hammersmith LDN - Fulker
LDN/MDX - Murray, Clancy, Broker, Hoskins, Marsden, Wilson, Sale
 
GGfather Michael Wilson born Cork, lived Fulham London - moved to Boston USA 1889, what happened next?

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Re: HOWLETT in Suffolk
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 15 October 06 20:10 BST (UK) »
I had been keeping out of this discussion as it centred on the Lackford Hundred.
But ... if you are ever looking for Howlett's in Framlingham, that's where I can help, just a little bit  ;D

SM ...


well, i think, SM, for now, i have no sure leads with Framlingham.. but maybe i'll see what i can find in the WOODS tree (im sure there's a pun there somewhere) to see what's lurking there as it suggests in the 1851 census that they are connected.
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Re: HOWLETT in Suffolk
« Reply #13 on: Monday 16 October 06 09:27 BST (UK) »
I've managed to stumble along a little further with this branch after looking at the Littleport 1861 Census.

On it, was

Robert Cole, 23, Ag Lab, b.Ely
Caroline Cole, 25, wife, b. Suffolk Backthen?
Elizabeth Howlett, 5, stepdaughter, b. Littleport.

Now these three appeared as expected, except that the Cole name is really COE. Robert COE was Caroline's second husband after Thomas Howlett died only a short while after their marriage in 1855 at Mildenhall.

There was no sign of the WOODS family or any other HOWLETTs apart from a widowed servant, Lydia Howlett, a 40yr old housekeeper born in New Buckenham, Norfolk.

Still not really any further forward, i decided to do a worthwhile search again using Google (if you've never searched Google by putting an ancestor's name in, it is worthwhile!) and this gave me the site belonging to Albert Browne http://albert.browne.me.uk and this led me to an Elizabeth Howlett born in 1835, daughter of John Howlett. Elizabeth's place of birth is noted as Wymondham, Norfolk... which matched the information given to me by the 1851 census of Mildenhall.

I scrolled a bit further down, noting that Elizabeth ("Betsy") married George Gipp at Ely Holy Trinity in 1854 and that they had 13 known children in Mildenhall. At the foot of the page was the evidence i wanted - the witnesses to Elizabeth and George's marriage...

Thomas (x) Howlett and Caroline (x) Clark.

This therefore accounts for the disappearance of Thomas' sister Elizabeth Howlett as she became Elizabeth Gipp.  I am still yet to account for their parents and also for Caroline Clark's family.

Perhaps looking at the Mildenhall census for 1861 will provide me with the information i need as the COE family noted above were living at Mildenhall Road, Littleport, which must be on the borders of the county.
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Re: HOWLETT in Suffolk
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 19 October 06 13:26 BST (UK) »
I've just run a search on FreeBMD and found the following entries as potential deaths of Thomas Howlett.

* Downham 4b/233 - Sept 1855
* Ely 3b/330 - Jun 1858
* Downham 4b/286 - Mar 1860

Fortunately, the excellent CAMDEX (http://www.cambridgeshire.gov.uk/community/bmd/Camdex/) reveals that Thomas' widow, Caroline, remarried to Robert Coe in 1859.

This then means that IF Thomas Howlett died in Cambridgeshire then it would have been either 1855 or 1858, as Thomas only married Caroline in 1855 and she remarries just a sliver under 4 years later. Thomas would have been in his 20s, so i am keen to find the right death date and obtain the certificate to find out why.

FreeBMD only lists one Thomas Howlett for Suffolk during the date range and he died miles away in Blything district, in North East Suffolk, so i'm discounting him.


FYI
The following discussion thread with potential crossover can be found at http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,90516.0.html
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Re: HOWLETT in Suffolk
« Reply #15 on: Sunday 22 October 06 10:50 BST (UK) »
Although not really connected to mine, ive just found a few Norfolk and Suffolk HOWLETTs in Islington in 1851.

They are listed as 'strays' on the following webpage

http://freespace.virgin.net/annemarie.shuttle/1851norfolk.htm
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Re: HOWLETT in Suffolk
« Reply #16 on: Tuesday 03 July 07 10:12 BST (UK) »
Hi Andrew, my name is Judy brodie from Aussie, think I have hd the connection before...found out a little more on the Elizabeth Gipp (nee Howlett) side if you would like it. Can you email me on  Cheers Judy

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Re: HOWLETT in Suffolk
« Reply #17 on: Sunday 17 February 08 19:00 GMT (UK) »
Hi Andrew

You don't seem to have the "complete" family from 1851, so just in case ...

1851 Mildenhall, Suffolk
HO107/1793 folio 150 pp25-26

Address: "Burnt Fen"
(several households)
John Howlett, head, 65, ag lab, Ashfield Norfolk
Eliz do., wife, 56, Suffon Norfolk
Thos do., son, 16, Windham(?) Norfolk
Eliz do., daur, 14, Neathersom(?) Suffolk
Jas Woods, son in law, 30, ag lab, Windham(?) Norfolk
H(?) do., <daur?>, 24, Prickwillow Camb
Jas do., grandson, 5, Prickwillow Camb
C(something) do., grandson, 4, Mildenhall Suffolk
May (or Mary) do., granddaughter, 6m, Mildenhall Suffolk

I'm not sure of the birthplaces of Thomas, Elizabeth (daughter) or James (son-in-law)

It definitely looks more like Windham than Mendham. (The "i" is clearly dotted and there other Ms on the page.) But I assume you have Thomas's birthplace from other sources. "Neathersom" actually looks like "Neatherwin" but I can't find either place!


Hi Andrew
" I can add some clarification to the above census.
Jas =  James Woods. he was born about 1821 at Mendlesham, Suffolk ( The enumerator was obviously illiterate and he made a complete hash of the birth places as a look at this family in 1861 will show. They were by then resident in Hilgay, Norfolk RG 9 1260 )
H = Hannah nee Howlett She was born about 1825 in Wymondham and married James Woods in 1844 at Holy Trinity Church, Ely. One their marriage certificate both were resident in Prickwillow which is where their eldest son, James was born in 1846.
C = Charles
and the 4 month old daughter is Mary.
How do I know all this? Well James Woods born in Prickwillow in 1846 was my mother's paternal grandfather and thus was my great grandfather."

regards Deborah Woods