looking for Ramsay family from Kilconquhar

[hantsguy]

Hi Norrie G,

Thanks for that info.. it ties in with a lot of what I have been able to find over the last two years..
I started this family research as a hoby seeing as i am now retired, and I find it so interesting and addictive
I thank you and JAP so much for your help.
I find it comes somewhat dificult for me, and are amazed at how easy some of you guys on here seem to be able to find things..
Once again many thanks
David ramsay

[NorrieG]

Hi again Huntsgay this is further information that I sent to Judy
( If you wish to contact Judy I can supply the Email she use at the time )

Charleton  South Lodge that the Ramsay family lived from
1851 to some time before 1891 when John had died and we find another
 Blacksmith living there. William Crichton

This site shows the present Golf Course but you can also bring up pictures
of the house. http://www.charleton.co.uk/

I decided to find this house “Charleton South Lodge.”
From old maps I could see that the Lodge house was on the main road from Upper Largo to Colinsburgh.
Turning up the Golf Course road I could see no Old Lodge house that would
fit the bill. Stopping a car to ask for directions I was amazed to find it was Baron Bondie the father of the present owner of Carleton House. He was very
interested in my research, was able to tell me where the cottage was located,
 He never new it as South Lodge only as the Blacksmiths Cottage and smiddy.
He did not invite me in for tea, and due to changes in the entrance to the Golf
course the cottage was a further 200 yards back the road to Upper Largo.
As any researcher would do I knocked on the door and explained why I wished
 to take pictures of the house. I was invited in and offered coffee, shown around the house and garden a saw how it had been extended and the roof raised to
accommodate upstair living in the 70s. The Baron had indicated that it had ceased being a Smiddy in the 70s when he had sold it.

I did take photos but at this point can't find them,

Death Cetrtificate Kilconquhar 436 – 4
6.2.1861 at 5.30am 1n Balchristie
Thomas Ramsay age 7 cause Marnsum 6 months
parents John Ramsay Blacksmith & Margaret Henderson
John Todd surgeon


Marriage Certificate  Kilconquhar
2.6.1865 at Colinsburgh after banns in U.P, Church
John Ramsay age 43 Widower  Blacksmith
parents William Ramsay Blacksmith & Janet Wishart des.
Agnes Robertson age 33 Washerwomen Colinsburgh
parents George Robertson Labourer des.& Helen Wilson
Minister John Jackson Colinsburgh
Wit. Thomas Ramsay & Margaret Hopton

George Robertson & Helen Wilson married 1.12.1811 Newburn
Children Janet born 1.12.1815
   Helen born 27.7.1816
   John born 5.6.1819
   Thomas born 2.9.1821
   Elizabeth Swan born 9.5.1827
   Agnes born 1831
all born Kilconquhar

George Robertson born 10.9.1787 parents Could be
Thomas Robertson & Janet Finlay  married 1770 Kilconquhar

Death Certificate Kilconquhar
11.4.1864 at 6.15 pm at Balchrystie Kilconquhar
Janet Wishart age 71 married to William Ramsay
parents David Wishart H.L.W. des & Hanah Mitchell
cause General Debility  many months
reported by William Ramsay husband
John Todd surgeon

Janet Parents were who I thought before.

Death Certificate Kilconquhar
15.9.1863 at 9am at Balchrystie Kilconquhar
Margaret Henderson  age 45 married to John Ramsay Blacksmith
parents John Henderson weaver des. & Catherine Finlay des.
cause consumption many months
reported by William Ramsay father in law
John Todd surgeon

from IGI children of John Henderson & Catherine Finlay
married 6.6.1804 in Kilconquhar
Catherine born 12.1.1805
Isobel born 30.11.1806
Elizabeth born 30.11.1806
John born 22.11.1815
Margaret born 5.10.1817

I did check for William Ramsay death up to 1875 but
no sign of it I think he must have died between 1876 and 1888
as he is not on the 1891 Census and Agnes is a widow
 
1901 Census Kilconquhar Balcarres Mains Lodge
George Ramsay age 32 Forrester born Kilconquhar
Annabella Ramsay wife age 24 born Auchterderran
Annie Ramsay age 4m born Kilconquhar

Norrie G

[hantsguy]

Hi again Norrie G.

thanks for this....brilliant
yes please the email address for Judy would be great.
I really appreciate all the information you have given me...and can't thank you enough.
I put my original post up quite some time ago when i first started on my family search.
It has been quite a struggle discovering all of the ancestors that i have managed to find so far, but great.
Thank you again

David R

[JAP]

Hello again Norrie G and David R,

Stunning stuff, Norrie!!

Especially the information from certificates which confirms the hypotheses which had been drawn from Scots naming patterns etc e.g. the names of the parents of Janet (WISHART) RAMSAY.

Norrie, I've noticed the incredible help you give on the RootsWeb Fife list so it's absolutely great that you joined RootsChat this year - a big plus for us RootsChatters. 
You must be very well-organized (and have very robust computers, and/or excellent back-up systems) to have been able to find that past correspondence so quickly (I've lost so much email correspondence over the years  ).

Incidentally David, I often look back at people's other posts because sometimes there are further clues in them - not to mention that your post which started this current thread had been resuscitated from your very early days on RC so it was almost certain that you would have found further info since then 

Also, I often check out Google - sometimes one finds real gems (as in this case).  I Googled for:
"william ramsay" + "janet wishart"
and thus found Norrie's Rootsweb post 
There are other hits.

The very kind current offer by swingteacher in response to a post from the past has developed in a way that probably could not have been expected - congratulations swingteacher 
It made me think of the song "From small things, big things grow" by Australian indigenous artist, Jimmy Little!

This is a really interesting thread and let's hope that there's more to be found    I'll keep watching the thread though I fear I won't able to add anything  

Best regards,

JAP

[hantsguy]

Hi,  Norrie G and JAP, thanks for the help you have given me.
I am looking forward to anything that swingteacher may find about any Ramsay's from that area.
I appreciate any advice that you guys may have in enabling me to not only go further back, but to perhaps even find living rellies.
Once again, thanks.
David R

[Chiad Fhear]

Hi all

I've got more recent Ramsays in my tree related to my brother's ex-Mother-in-Law. They start with:
ALEXANDER DEWAR RAMSAY born Abt. 1891 in St Andrews & St Leonards, Fife. He married ELIZABETH KIDD ARCHER who was born Abt. 1893 in St Andrews & St Leonards, Fife and died Abt. 1963 in Memorial Cottage Hospital, St Andrews, Fife.

Their daughter:
ANNIE DEWAR RAMSAY was born 07 Jul 1918 in 98 North Street, St Andrews, Fife, and died 13 Aug 2004 in Memorial Hospital, St Andrews, Fife.  She married THOMAS MARSHALL, son of GEORGE MARSHALL and EFFIE REEKIE.  He was born 09 Apr 1916 in 4 Barncraig Street, Denbeath, Wemyss, Fife, and died 28 Feb 1993 in Memorial Hospital, St Andrews, Fife.

In a circuitous way Effie Reekie was a 1st cousin once removed of our father!

Does any of this fit with the Kilconquhar Ramsays?

Regards

Chiad Fhear

[Robertb99]

Can I jump into this Ramsay pond and ask if anyone can make a connection between the Kilconquhar Ramsays and those from Kirkcaldy?

Peter R. (1790 - 1840) is my 2g-grandfather, and married Ann Cumming(s) (c. 1798 - 1866) in Kirkcaldy on Feb. 07, 1820.  They had a family of 7 of whom I am aware, 2 of whom (at least) died young.  The children of whom I am aware are:

George - Feb. 12, 1827, Abbotshall
Ann - June 1828, Abbotshall - Feb. 10, 1830, Kirkcaldy
Janet - Apr. 22, 1929, Abbotshall
Peter - May 14, 1831, Abbotshall
Ann - 1832, Kirkcaldy - June 08, 1913, Coaltown of Balgonie
Esiball - Oct. 1833, Kirkcaldy - Nov. 05, 1833, Kirkcaldy
Magdalen - c. 1837

I believe that Peter (father) was the s/o David R. (c. 1761) and Janet Hart (c. 1764) of Kirkcaldy, and that Ann Cumming was the d/o George C. (c. 1757, Kinghorn? - 1835, Kirkcaldy) and Grizzel Bennet (c. 1766, Kirkcaldy?).

If anyone can fit this family into the greater Ramsay family of Fife, I'd be most appreciative.

Robert in Kanata

[NorrieG]

Hi Robert these are 3 inscriptions from Abbotshall Cemetery
but by this time maybe you ancestors had left Kirkcaldy

751      In memory of Jemima G M FARMER b16.1.1900 d. Feb 1932
      wife of John D RAMSAY mother of Robert & Jemima

441      John Stewart RAMSAY died 28.10.1927 age 48
      son David Stewart RAMSAY died 28.3.1913 age 1
      John Laird RAMSAY died 28.7.1937 age 23

614      Mary SIMPSON wife of Peter RAMSAY
      died 8.5.1922 age 74
      above Peter RAMSAY died 30.12.1928 age 79

Norrie G

[Robertb99]

Thanks for the data, Norrie.  I don't know if any of them fit with my rellies data or not, as Ann(2) is the only one on whom I have much information.

I also see that I had too many fingers on the keyboard when typing my previous posting!  Janet should be Apr. 22 1829, NOT 1929! 

Your good work with the Fife MIs is much appreciated!

Robert