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Re: Sinclair/Sutherland/Rosie/Calder?
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 21 February 07 13:23 GMT (UK) »
oops, the two Alexanders'fathers were full brothers, not half-brothers

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Re: Sinclair/Sutherland/Rosie/Calder?
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 21 February 07 14:19 GMT (UK) »
Hello Peter,

Well you have certainly dumbfounded me,without a doubt.

Somewhere along the way,I had been told there was a possible connection to the heirarchy but I never expected this.

A couple of items in your information sound rather intriguing.
1.Why Donald (the sailor) is there a story behind him being called this?
2.Why John (holy John) is there also a story behind this name?

Was James the chamberlain in the royal house or where?

Please tell me more if you can.

Betty : :o :o
Lancashire- Moss,Broadbent,Olley,Dobson,Dickenson,
Norfolk-Olley,Knowles,Bunn,Pooley,Scott,Vince
Caithness & Dumfries - Evans,Sinclair,Mackay
Belfast-Antrim - Mackay,Connor,Bunting
Liverpool,Wigan & Southport - Ball,Taylor
Isle of Man - Harp,Dougherty
Cheshire - Dickenson
Knighton,Radnorshire - Evans, Broadhurst
Caithness - Sinclair

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Re: Sinclair/Sutherland/Rosie/Calder?
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 21 February 07 19:10 GMT (UK) »
Hi Peter
I am interested in this family.
David of " Broynach " Sinclair  AND  Janet Ewing Had I believe a son David b c 1701 in Caithness who married Margaret MORE or MACKAY.   Do you have any further info?
MORE in Caithness being my family.
Tricia
BAILEY    (HAM/Portsmouth Portsea/1800s);
CORMACK    (CAI/Watten Wick/fam of Magnus C & Jean Taylor m 1739);
CORMACK    (DUR/Sunderland area 1800s/orig from CAI, SCT, 1700s);
JOHNSTON    (CAI/../All);
JOHNSTON    (ARL/Kirn Dunoon/circa 1800 - onwards);
JOHNSTON    (ELN/Prestonpans Tranent/fam of William Johnston Janet Forman);
MCDOUGAL     (ARL/MULL/pre1800 Neil McDougall Effy McPhail);
MCDOUGALL    (INV/Laggan/pre 1800 in Mull Argyll then INV etc);
MORE    (CAI/Wick Sarclet Thurso Orkney/1600

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Re: Sinclair/Sutherland/Rosie/Calder?
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 22 February 07 07:33 GMT (UK) »
Hello Betty & Tricia

There is way too much information to send via Rootschat, it will have to be done by private email with attachments etc.  I have sent you both messages with an email address for you to use.  You will not be disappointed! 

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peter


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Re: Sinclair/Sutherland/Rosie/Calder?
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 22 February 07 13:22 GMT (UK) »
Hello Betty & Tricia

What follows this explanation is merely the first paragraph of a very long concluding letter by Thomas SINCLAIR as part of a correspondence in the letters to the editor columns of the old caithness newspaper, the Northern Ensign, that went on regarding the succession of the earldom of caithness, and much more besides, during 1889-1891.   Yes, David SINCLAIR who married Margaret MORE was the son of David SINCLAIR of Broynach & Janet EWEN, Broynach's older brother being the earl of caithness.  In the 1760s the earldom should have gone to David & margaret's son, captain James SINCLAIR H.E.I.C.S. in Reiss, but Broynach's second marriage to his housekeeper Janet EWEN was in question.  In the period 1889-1891 Thomas SINCLAIR was going in to bat for the descendants of Donald SINCLAIR the sailor, the younger brother of David SINCLAIR who married Margaret MORE.  By then David's heir-male descendants had died out.  Thomas fixed the claim to the earldom on the grandson James SINCLAIR of Alexander SINCLAIR who married Elizabeth Sutherland, Alexander the grandfather being the son to the first marriage of James SINCLAIR the chamberlain, son of Donald the sailor..  Another correspondent to the Northern Ensign was "Scrutator" (Rev. John SINCLAIR), who claimed the earldom for himself as a descendant of William SINCLAIR who went to Avoch in Ross-shire, who is also supposed to be a son of Donald the sailor.  Thomas and Scrutator went head to head in their letters as to whether James the chamberlain or William was the elder son.  James & William had plenty of siblings including "Holy John" the father of Alexander SINCLAIR who married Elizabeth SINCLAIR the parents of Kennedy SINCLAIR.  I have heard from a descendant of John, Kennedy's brother.

I need your addresses to send the rest of this stuff (112 pages of a word document!) as an attachment.

"THE BROYNACHS AND THE EARLDOM OF CAITHNESS

CONCLUDING EVIDENCE, WITH PEDIGREE.

TO THE EDITOR OF THE NORTHERN ENSIGN.

"SlR,—It was calculated, by a general analysis, that the birth year of James, the tenth earl of Caithness, Captain Sinclair, H.E.l.C.S., was 1744.  New light as to this most important date is to be gained from close attention to the evidence of Alexander Ross and Alexander Macleod in Ratter's proof of 1767.  The latter accompanied David, the father of James, part of the way from Thurso to Wick, when he had the rout to go as a recruit to join the British forces in Flanders for the Dutch war.  David Sinclair signed on the road four or five miles from Thurso the confession of paternity of James, which Macleod wrote out for the mother, Margaret More, who had followed the departing soldier, the child yet unborn.  If the date of this incident can be fixed, the birth of Captain James will be ascertained within a few months."





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Re: Sinclair/Sutherland/Rosie/Calder?
« Reply #14 on: Friday 13 April 07 21:27 BST (UK) »
Hi I have a Jean Calder Sinclair and her son Alexander George Sinclair b 1923
jean married James Swanson Rosie

does this make any sense to you have a lot of info on the Rosies
sybil
ORKNEY
FLETT, CLOUSTON,  WHISHART, SCOTT, BRUCE,
ABERDEEN AREA:THOMSON, ROSIE, CHAFFEY, ALLAN,               
GLASGOW;STEWART,  SPENCE,  DOUGLAS, BLACK , KEAYS(KEYS), MITCHELL,    JOHNSTON,  FLETT,  ALLAN, CALLAGHAN, JENKS,FINLAY,SMELLIE,TYSON

MORAYSHIRE: ALLAN, INNES, MCPHAIL, MATHEWS, STEWART, MCKENZIE, MCLEAN, PLOWMAN, MASSON, 
IRELAND:DOUGLAS,BLACK,McAULAY,KEAYS,TWEED,MITCHELL,
 ENGLAND: JENKS, WALKER,BALDWIN, HURST,PHILLIPS, CHAFFEY, ROBERTSON, ALLAN;JOHNSON, AMEY,Corston,Race

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Re: Sinclair/Sutherland/Rosie/Calder?
« Reply #15 on: Saturday 14 April 07 14:28 BST (UK) »
My connections with the Sinclair family are via my paternal grandmother Emma Moss nee Evans.

Her father was Kennedy Sinclair who was born in Caithness abt 1802.His brother John born abt 1795 married Ann Oag & they had three children.

Helen 1825
Alexander 1829
George 1831  who married Margaret Calder b.1832?

Maybe connected to your family,what do you think?

There is also a Calder marriage further back in the 18th century between a John Sinclair & Christine Calder.

Not sure as yet where the Rosie connection fits.

Regards
bettyespana
Lancashire- Moss,Broadbent,Olley,Dobson,Dickenson,
Norfolk-Olley,Knowles,Bunn,Pooley,Scott,Vince
Caithness & Dumfries - Evans,Sinclair,Mackay
Belfast-Antrim - Mackay,Connor,Bunting
Liverpool,Wigan & Southport - Ball,Taylor
Isle of Man - Harp,Dougherty
Cheshire - Dickenson
Knighton,Radnorshire - Evans, Broadhurst
Caithness - Sinclair

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Re: Sinclair/Sutherland/Rosie/Calder?
« Reply #16 on: Saturday 14 April 07 17:57 BST (UK) »
Will check it out and get back to you , been out in the garden all day, ,
not sure how fit i am at the monent  ???
Sybil
ORKNEY
FLETT, CLOUSTON,  WHISHART, SCOTT, BRUCE,
ABERDEEN AREA:THOMSON, ROSIE, CHAFFEY, ALLAN,               
GLASGOW;STEWART,  SPENCE,  DOUGLAS, BLACK , KEAYS(KEYS), MITCHELL,    JOHNSTON,  FLETT,  ALLAN, CALLAGHAN, JENKS,FINLAY,SMELLIE,TYSON

MORAYSHIRE: ALLAN, INNES, MCPHAIL, MATHEWS, STEWART, MCKENZIE, MCLEAN, PLOWMAN, MASSON, 
IRELAND:DOUGLAS,BLACK,McAULAY,KEAYS,TWEED,MITCHELL,
 ENGLAND: JENKS, WALKER,BALDWIN, HURST,PHILLIPS, CHAFFEY, ROBERTSON, ALLAN;JOHNSON, AMEY,Corston,Race

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Re: Sinclair/Sutherland/Rosie/Calder?
« Reply #17 on: Monday 27 December 10 20:40 GMT (UK) »
Am also related to Alexander Sinclair and Betty Sutherland but you don't have my great great great grandmother in their list of children, her name was Sidney.  I managed to trace some of her brothers and sisters and Kennedy seemed to be one of them as was Benjamin.  Sidney was born in about 1798.  Cannot find a birth certificate for her but I did find her death certificate and her parents are named on it.