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Re: Curioser and curioser ... my Dad has 2 birth records !
« Reply #18 on: Tuesday 25 May 21 14:19 BST (UK) »
I have the information that you have. Rose, May's sister was born on 13 April 1905 and  registered as Poplett, although Alfred and Caroline didn't marry until 1908. May married Edward Thomas Kirkham[born Kirkum] in 1902 but was 'taken in' and brought up by Albert George Smith and his wife, Fanny. Presumably because his purported father was here, in South Africa from 1899 to 1902!

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Re: Curioser and curioser ... my Dad has 2 birth records !
« Reply #19 on: Tuesday 25 May 21 14:21 BST (UK) »
Jenjoburg - I see that you are currently online.  Would you like to add any information that you have on the Poplett family?
Ashford: Somerset, London
England: Devon, London, New Zealand
Holdway: Wiltshire
Hooper: Bristol, Somerset
Knowling: Devon, London
Southcott: Devon, China
Strong: Wiltshire
Watson: Cambridgeshire
White: Bristol
Windo - Gloucestershire, Somerset, Wiltshire

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Re: Curioser and curioser ... my Dad has 2 birth records !
« Reply #20 on: Tuesday 25 May 21 14:33 BST (UK) »
I can give you information on May and Rose's family, although I didn't know Rose very well. May died in 1986 in Hammersmith. She and Edward married in 1923 and had 3 daughters. Doris Beatrice Rose, born 1924/died 1987 who was my mother. Winifred May 1927/2013 and Margaret Rose 1933/1995.
I can give you further information about their marriages. As far as I'm aware all but one of their children are still alive.

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Re: Curioser and curioser ... my Dad has 2 birth records !
« Reply #21 on: Tuesday 25 May 21 14:35 BST (UK) »
So is this Caroline's death?

Deaths Mar 1922 
Poplett    Caroline S A    51    Kensington    1a   291

Gives a birth year of 1871.

Caroline was 22 when she married Alfred Hanham in 1892, so looks right, but didn't Alfred Poplett marry Florence Poulter in 1919? Or am I confused?

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I am confused. It was Alfred son of Alfred who married Florence, he was 25 in 1919, therefore born abt 1894
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Lanark: Scott (soldier went to Jersey CI)
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott


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Re: Curioser and curioser ... my Dad has 2 birth records !
« Reply #22 on: Tuesday 25 May 21 14:40 BST (UK) »
Well that's what I found.  If anyone has access to Ancestry perhaps that 1919 marriage can tell us anything.  That's if there is an actual certificate to see.
Ashford: Somerset, London
England: Devon, London, New Zealand
Holdway: Wiltshire
Hooper: Bristol, Somerset
Knowling: Devon, London
Southcott: Devon, China
Strong: Wiltshire
Watson: Cambridgeshire
White: Bristol
Windo - Gloucestershire, Somerset, Wiltshire

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Re: Curioser and curioser ... my Dad has 2 birth records !
« Reply #23 on: Tuesday 25 May 21 14:42 BST (UK) »
If Agnes Poplett died in 1899 and Caroline's first husband died in 1900, why did they wait until 1908 to marry, after having 2 children?

1919 marriage record is on Ancestry. both are age 25, Alfred s/o Alfred
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Lanark: Scott (soldier went to Jersey CI)
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott

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Re: Curioser and curioser ... my Dad has 2 birth records !
« Reply #24 on: Tuesday 25 May 21 14:49 BST (UK) »
Hhmmm, I have found a William Poplett with the birth date that you gave on the 1939 Register.

The 'parents' are listed as Alfred and Florence Poplett.  There is this marriage for what I assume is the correct couple:-

Marriages Dec 1919
Poplett    Alfred    Poulter    Brentford    3a   398   
Poulter    Florence    Poplett    Brentford    3a   398

Going by the birth date for Florence, this looks to be most likely for her birth registration

POULTER, FLORENCE  EDITH EMILY    GINNER 
GRO Reference: 1894  M Quarter in LAMBETH  Volume 01D  Page 467

This is the only one that comes up for Alfred in the relevant time frame for his birth date as per the 1939

POPLETT, ALFRED       HARMAN 
GRO Reference: 1894  D Quarter in FULHAM  Volume 01A  Page 190

This Alfred is William Frederick's stepbrother (or half brother if Alfred Poplett snr is WF's father)
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Lanark: Scott (soldier went to Jersey CI)
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott

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Re: Curioser and curioser ... my Dad has 2 birth records !
« Reply #25 on: Tuesday 25 May 21 14:49 BST (UK) »
Ah right, I've just clicked what the relationship is in the 1939 Register.  Alfred and William are brothers??
Ashford: Somerset, London
England: Devon, London, New Zealand
Holdway: Wiltshire
Hooper: Bristol, Somerset
Knowling: Devon, London
Southcott: Devon, China
Strong: Wiltshire
Watson: Cambridgeshire
White: Bristol
Windo - Gloucestershire, Somerset, Wiltshire

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Re: Curioser and curioser ... my Dad has 2 birth records !
« Reply #26 on: Tuesday 25 May 21 14:53 BST (UK) »
Ah right, I've just clicked what the relationship is in the 1939 Register.  Alfred and William are brothers??

Different mothers
Alfred is Agnes nee Harman's
William is Caroline nee Cox widow of Alfred Hanham's

Too many Alfreds and Hanham and Harman so similar
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Lanark: Scott (soldier went to Jersey CI)
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott