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William White of Ore
« on: Tuesday 09 November 04 07:27 GMT (UK) »
I have been given the name of a William White being a child of William White and Sarah Tolhurst. 

Would it be possible for some kind person to have do a look up for me please? 

William perhaps was born/baptised approximately 1790 in Hastings.

I have obtained a Will of a William White - Yeoman  of ( Thensra????Cottage)in the Parish of Ore who died on 21 December 1849.

 I am trying to ascertain whether this William White the Yeoman perhaps is the William White a son of William White & Sarah Tolhurst and may be a "missing" child of my family line or may be not!

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Wing, Hack, Gray, Haywood Brighton
White, Vass, Tolhurst, Thatcher Sussex
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Re: William White of Ore
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 21 November 04 18:59 GMT (UK) »
Hi Webby

No luck with finding a William White of the right age in the 1841 or 1851 censuses covering Ore.

The Marriage of William White and Sarah Telhurst (as recorded) is at Hastings All Saints on 14 May 1787.

I also found three possible marriages for a William White of the right sort of age all at Hastings St Clements.

Hannah Crisford 10 Feb 1807
Louisa Jones 01 Aug 1809
Maria Simmons12 June 1810


Hope this helps

Roger
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Re: William White of Ore
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 21 November 04 19:41 GMT (UK) »
Hi Webby,

This thread may be of interest to you.

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=12523.0

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Re: William White of Ore
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 23 November 04 20:54 GMT (UK) »
Many thanks to both Nell & Roger re William White.   

In the Will of this William White he names only "unto my dear wife and Caroline Rebecca H(Mills) (at present residing with us). 

I was hoping that a marriage might suddenly pop up with a H(M)ills lady and this Caroline may have been a close relative , but at least now I can check these marriages it might lead somewhere.

Again many thanks for your help. 

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Wing, Isted,Lashmore, - Horsted Keynes
Green, Goldsmith,Mockford,Blackmar,Geer - Falmer & Brighton
Wing, Hack, Gray, Haywood Brighton
White, Vass, Tolhurst, Thatcher Sussex
Attree, Patching, Earle - Barcombe Sussex
Davies, Owen, - Llangrannog, Cardiganshire, Wales
Thomas, Burn - Gwennap,Cornwall
Rice - Portland,Dorset

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Re: William White of Ore
« Reply #4 on: Friday 10 December 04 20:25 GMT (UK) »
Hi there Webby

Just looked in the 1851 census for Ore and found the following:-

HO107/ 1635 /Folio 85/ Page 77 - Ebenezer Cottage, Ore

Mills Caroline R, Head, Unm, 23, Householder, born Stratford upon Avon, War
        Louisa White, Dau, Unm, 8, norn Ore, Sussex
        Rose White, Dau, Unm, 6, born Ore, Sussex
        William F White, Son, Unm, 4, born Ore
        Francis, Sister, Unm, 20, Visitor, born Handsworth, War
        Joseph, Father, Widow, 62, Millwright, born London Hay Market, Mdx
       
That all looks very interesting - Caroline R is a single woman, aged 23, with 3 children who all have a forename of White

But also in Ebenezer Cottage is

WHITE Rebecca, Aunt, Widow, 66, Annuitant, born London Hay Market, Mdx

I wonder what the 1841 census will say

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Re: William White of Ore
« Reply #5 on: Friday 10 December 04 20:36 GMT (UK) »
Hi again

The baptism Registers for Hastings show

All Saints, 16th August 1843, Louisa Mills, dau of --- & Caroline Rebecca of Ore.
All Saints, 31st March 1847, William Frederick White Mills, son of --- & Caroline Rebecca of Ore.

There is not a baptism recorded for Rose White Mills or Rose White

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Re: William White of Ore
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 11 December 04 21:43 GMT (UK) »
Hi Chris

Many thanks for your information. 

I'm not sure what to make of this mysterious Caroline Rebecca Mills and her children! and where exactly she fits in. 

William's Will left his estate to both Caroline & his wife equally as tenants in common and after the wife's death to Caroline outright.

I can now check to see if this William married a Rebecca Mills.

And now thanks to you I know the name of the cottage as well - I couldn't decipher the name on the Will!

Regards

Webby

Wing, Isted,Lashmore, - Horsted Keynes
Green, Goldsmith,Mockford,Blackmar,Geer - Falmer & Brighton
Wing, Hack, Gray, Haywood Brighton
White, Vass, Tolhurst, Thatcher Sussex
Attree, Patching, Earle - Barcombe Sussex
Davies, Owen, - Llangrannog, Cardiganshire, Wales
Thomas, Burn - Gwennap,Cornwall
Rice - Portland,Dorset

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Re: William White of Ore
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 12 December 04 00:04 GMT (UK) »
Hi Webby

Thanks for that acknowledgement.

In my mind, I would bet that William is the father of those children that bear the name 'White' as a second or third forename.

The baptism record shows them all as illigitimate, and why would he leave everything to his wife and caroline between them - and thereafter Caroline - because she bore him those children.

What are your thoughts on it

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Re: William White of Ore
« Reply #8 on: Monday 13 December 04 09:13 GMT (UK) »
Hi Chris

Have checked the IGI for a White/Mills marriage - nothing!  I also haven't found any children born to William/Rebecca either.  So the mystery deepens.

I am not sure what to think of Caroline Rebecca and her children.  You could probably get away with one child being born out of wedlock but three?  I assumed that having children out of wedlock in the 1840's was really not the done thing??

Another thought being that the Rebecca the widow mentioned in the 1851 census as living in Ebernezer Cottage as being an annuitant - makes me wonder why?  Rebecca and Caroline were tenants in common - surely Caroline Rebecca would not have had the money to pay Rebecca a yearly amount? 

Also wonder why Caroline was "head" of the household?  Pity I can't ask them!!!!

Would you mind please checking the 1841 census - perhaps that may give an answer at least if Caroline Rebecca was living there at the time although she would have only been a teenager.

Regards

Webby
Wing, Isted,Lashmore, - Horsted Keynes
Green, Goldsmith,Mockford,Blackmar,Geer - Falmer & Brighton
Wing, Hack, Gray, Haywood Brighton
White, Vass, Tolhurst, Thatcher Sussex
Attree, Patching, Earle - Barcombe Sussex
Davies, Owen, - Llangrannog, Cardiganshire, Wales
Thomas, Burn - Gwennap,Cornwall
Rice - Portland,Dorset