Author Topic: Donald Warse  (Read 4398 times)

Offline longberry

  • RootsChat Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 193
  • time is of the essence
    • View Profile
Donald Warse
« on: Wednesday 25 October 06 19:56 BST (UK) »
Any info on Donld Warse born about 1790 in Canisbay.
He married Helen Robertson or Robeson in1814
frank

bervonian

  • Guest
Re: Donald Warse
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 25 October 06 20:35 BST (UK) »
He married Helen/Ellen Robertson on 17 Feb 1813 at Canisbay, Caithness.  I think their first child Donald, who was born on 28 Jan 1815, Canisbay would have left home  by the time the 1841 Census was taken:

1841 Isle of Stroma, Caithness
Donald Warse      50   Farmer   
Helen       "           45                           
Mary        "            20                             
Christian  "            15                           
Jane         "            15                           
John         "            14                           
Margaret  "             8                             
George     "             6

All were born Caithness.

Bervonian.                           

bervonian

  • Guest
Re: Donald Warse
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 25 October 06 21:39 BST (UK) »
In the IGI there are 3 persons named Donald Warse, all born Canisby:

Donald b. 06 Mar 1790 (Parents: Donald Warse/Helen Bower)
Donald b. 12 Aug 1790 (Parents: John Warse/Janet Oal)
Donald b. 21 Sep 1790 (Parents: Wm. Warse/Margaret Mowat)

Bervonian.


Offline longberry

  • RootsChat Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 193
  • time is of the essence
    • View Profile
Re: Donald Warse
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 26 October 06 19:08 BST (UK) »
Bervonian
Thank you very much again. The first note is very exciting and I will look more closely at the three names you hav given me
thanks again
frank

Offline longberry

  • RootsChat Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 193
  • time is of the essence
    • View Profile
Re: Donald Warse
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 26 October 06 19:46 BST (UK) »
Dear bervonian
Looking at the names you give in the 1841 cesus. they are different from the names I have.
I think that the problem is that we have 3 Donalds all born in the same place in the same year.I think it is now a case of identifying each and see when and if, they married and to whom
thanks again
frank

bervonian

  • Guest
Re: Donald Warse
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 26 October 06 19:47 BST (UK) »
I'm sending a list of the children born to each of the three couples:

Donald Warse (Farmer) m. 26 Jun 1784 Helen Bower.
Children: Jean 1785, Helen 1787, Donald, 1790, John 1793, Margaret 1796.  John and Margaret are submitted entries; all others are taken from the record.

John Warse m. Janet Oal (no record in the IGI of a marriage).
Children: James 1780, John 1781, Euphemia 1783, Anne 1788, Donald 1790, William 1793, Janet 1796.

William Warse m. 9 Jan 1768 Margaret Mowat.
Children: Elizabeth 1770, Isobel 1774, John 1777, James 1779, Ann 1779, (twins), William 1782, (died young), Sinclair 1785, William 1786, Donald 1790, George 1791.

Perhaps you'll have better luck than me in deciding which family 'your'
Donald belongs to.   ;D

Bervonian.

Offline MonicaL

  • RootsChat Honorary
  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 28,566
  • Mami (1924-2020)
    • View Profile
Re: Donald Warse
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 26 October 06 23:24 BST (UK) »
Hi Frank and Bervonian

I believe Donald Warse/Wares, farmer, died in Stroma in 1856 (pity not 1855 Frank and we could have got a list of all his children!) age 66. Unfortunately, it's one of the early death certs. which simply shows married and does not include spouse's names. A couple of things about this cert.:

* Parents are showing as Donald WARES, farmer, deceased and mother Helen Robertson deceased.

* William SIMPSON son-in-law reported the death. That's the clincher Frank, this would be daughter Helen's husband I assume....lucky!

I think mother's maiden name had been reported incorrectly by son-in-law William, who has given Donald's wife Helen's maiden name instead of Donald's mother's, also called Helen just to confuse matters.

So Donald's family as given by Bervonian:

Donald Warse (Farmer) m. 26 Jun 1784 Helen Bower.
Children: Jean 1785, Helen 1787, Donald, 1790, John 1793, Margaret 1796.  John and Margaret are submitted entries; all others are taken from the record.

The real Helen Robertson/ Roberson is showing as a widow in 1861 which helps!:

WARES Helen, Head, Widow, 68, Crofter, b. Caithness - Canisbay             
WARES Mary, Dau, Unmarried, 44, General Servant, b. Caithness -Canisbay
WARES Margaret, Dau, Unmarried, 26, General Servant, b. Caithness - Canisbay             
WARES George, Son, Unmarried, 25, Fisherman

Monica

Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

Offline longberry

  • RootsChat Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 193
  • time is of the essence
    • View Profile
Re: Donald Warse
« Reply #7 on: Friday 27 October 06 21:22 BST (UK) »
monica/bervonian
i think you have cracked it. It seems to be falling into place.
helen Robertsons mother was Marion (?Duncan) Robertson which gives a tenuous link to helen,s daughter Marion.
So I guess we know which Donald it was.
I could not really make out Helen Robertsons fathers name it may be John or perhaps George
Many thanks
Frank

Offline MonicaL

  • RootsChat Honorary
  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 28,566
  • Mami (1924-2020)
    • View Profile
Re: Donald Warse
« Reply #8 on: Friday 27 October 06 21:39 BST (UK) »
Frank

These are the children showing for a John ROBSON and Marion DUNCAN:

1. HELEN ROBSON  Birth: 24 OCT 1791/ Christening: 30 OCT 1791 Canisbay, Caithness, Scotland
3. WILLIAM ROBSON Birth: 24 JUN 1783/ Christening: 01 JUL 1783 Canisbay, Caithness, Scotland
5. JOHN ROBERTSON Birth: 19 FEB 1781/ Christening: 28 FEB 1781 Canisbay, Caithness, Scotland
7. GEORGE ROBERTSON Birth: 21 AUG 1776/ Christening: 03 SEP 1776 Canisbay, Caithness, Scotland
9. JAMES ROBERTSON Birth: 27 OCT 1778/ Christening: 04 NOV 1778 Canisbay, Caithness, Scotland

This looks like a possibility for the marriage:

MARION DUNCAN  Marriages: Spouse: JOHN ROBISON    
Marriage:  28 FEB 1776  Canisbay, Caithness, Scotland

From these dates, George their child looks to have been their first, born in August that year. Likely he was named after John's father (maybe Marion's).

Back to Donald Wares and Helen Robertson, George was one of their last born children. There was a Donald and John born first. The above family look a good possibility for Helen. Given she was alive in 1861, her death cert would confirm her parents.

Regards.

Monica
Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk