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« on: Saturday 28 October 06 06:31 BST (UK) »
Can anyone tell me if there is more than one Presbyterian Church in Ballymoney? Is part of Ballymoney in Co Derry? Trying to find who David Rosborough married in 1820 in a Presbyterian church.Agnetta

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Re: Church
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 28 October 06 09:54 BST (UK) »
Yes Agnetta, there are several Presbyterian Church in Ballymoney and lots just outside.
1st Ballymoney, 2nd Ballymoney (Trinity- started as a Seceder church) & 3rd Ballymoney (St. James'-once known as 2nd Ballymoney but a split from 1st in 1834, so not the correct church). Also Ballymoney Reformed Presbyterian on Charlotte St.
Nearby (just from memory)- Mosside, Toberkeigh (1830), Roseyards (also known as Derrykeighan), Armoy, Drumreagh, Benvarden (don't think it goes back far enough), Dervock (also known as Derrykeighan), Dunloy (too recent), Finvoy, 1st Kilraught, Rasharkin (only started 1830).

I see the IGI has 3 entries listing David Rosborough m.1820 Ballymoney to Elizabeth. Unfortunately none of the records give the source of this information. David is listed as being born at Drumart but usually (although not always) the marriage would have taken place at the bride's church.

P.S. name often spelt Roxborough, Roxborrow, Rosborrow, etc.

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Re: Church
« Reply #2 on: Monday 30 October 06 07:34 GMT (UK) »
Aghadowey - if,for the sake of argument,they both lived in Drumart,which of these Churches would have been nearest.( knowing the Irish they wouldn't NECCESSARILY have gone to the nearest,but for the moment we'll assume that they did!) He is the only David I can find that fits the time frame.I know they ended up at Derryard,near Dungiven,from where their daughter Mary Ann Rosborough married Alexander Gibson in 1856 (Bovevagh Pres Church) If I could find Elizabeths surname,I might be able to make some progress,through Dungiven or Bovevagh deaths. Thanks for all this "church"info. Agnetta.

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« Reply #3 on: Thursday 07 June 07 15:02 BST (UK) »
I am researching the surname RASBERRY.  I have seen it spelled numerous ways, and I wonder if it is a derivative of ROSBOROUGH.  Does anyone know?

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Cindy

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« Reply #4 on: Monday 11 August 14 04:22 BST (UK) »
I am researching the surname RASBERRY.  I have seen it spelled numerous ways, and I wonder if it is a derivative of ROSBOROUGH.  Does anyone know?

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Cindy

My brother, a Rosborough, recently completed 37 marker Y-DNA testing. His matches include the surnames Roxburgh, Rosebeary, Roseburg, and Rossborough. It's certainly possible that Rasberry is yet another variation.

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« Reply #5 on: Sunday 21 October 18 00:59 BST (UK) »
Yes Agnetta, there are several Presbyterian Church in Ballymoney and lots just outside.
1st Ballymoney, 2nd Ballymoney (Trinity- started as a Seceder church) & 3rd Ballymoney (St. James'-once known as 2nd Ballymoney but a split from 1st in 1834, so not the correct church). Also Ballymoney Reformed Presbyterian on Charlotte St.
Nearby (just from memory)- Mosside, Toberkeigh (1830), Roseyards (also known as Derrykeighan), Armoy, Drumreagh, Benvarden (don't think it goes back far enough), Dervock (also known as Derrykeighan), Dunloy (too recent), Finvoy, 1st Kilraught, Rasharkin (only started 1830).

I see the IGI has 3 entries listing David Rosborough m.1820 Ballymoney to Elizabeth. Unfortunately none of the records give the source of this information. David is listed as being born at Drumart but usually (although not always) the marriage would have taken place at the bride's church.

P.S. name often spelt Roxborough, Roxborrow, Rosborrow, etc.

Hello, I came across this whilst having yet another frustrating look for info on my McMeekin/Cochrane ancestors from Rasharkin. If the Presbyterian church in Rasharkin only started in 1830, do you know where people like my ancestors have been attending prior to this? From the 1851 census they were in Killydonnelly and Killycreen townlands. I always get confused between Presbyterian and Church of Ireland!  :-\
Campbell, Ireland
Hunter, Ireland
Frater, Selkirkshire Scotland
Kydd, Angus, Scotland
McMeekin, Antrim, Ireland

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Re: Church
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 21 October 18 01:13 BST (UK) »
Rasharkin Presbyterian church was probably in existence long before 1830. Its just that it doesnít have any records earlier than that. Thatís not uncommon in Ireland. Few churches have records for the 1700s. There are only 6 or 7 Presbyterian churches in the whole of Co. Antrim with pre 1800 records. Thatís out of probably 150 churches.

The nearest Presbyterian church to Rasharkin is probably Killymurris. It was founded in 1796, as an overflow church for Clough (which was established in the 1600s). However itís Minister didnít keep any baptism or marriage records till 1845. So a similar story.

Presbyterian is the main denomination in Scotland, and was brought to Ireland by Scots settlers. Church of Ireland is the Church of England, in Ireland. Sometimes referred to as Episcopalian.
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« Reply #7 on: Sunday 21 October 18 07:37 BST (UK) »
Rasharkin Presbyterian church was probably in existence long before 1830. Its just that it doesnít have any records earlier than that. Thatís not uncommon in Ireland. Few churches have records for the 1700s. There are only 6 or 7 Presbyterian churches in the whole of Co. Antrim with pre 1800 records. Thatís out of probably 150 churches.

The nearest Presbyterian church to Rasharkin is probably Killymurris. It was founded in 1796, as an overflow church for Clough (which was established in the 1600s). However itís Minister didnít keep any baptism or marriage records till 1845. So a similar story.

Presbyterian is the main denomination in Scotland, and was brought to Ireland by Scots settlers. Church of Ireland is the Church of England, in Ireland. Sometimes referred to as Episcopalian.
Thanks for clarifying that Elwyn, knew Scotland was Presby, but wasn't sure if the Scots settled in Ireland were that, or whether the COI was the "replacement"  :) Were the 18th & 19th century ministers in Ireland like the Anglican ones I've read about in England? Ie often gentlemen but not heirs, who saw the church as a cushy living? If so, it would account for their slack record-keeping!  ;)
My sister said is there any site with photos of the gravestones etc? I explained to her that there are sites with inscriptions recorded, and that some people take pics, but our ancestors were shoemakers and linen weavers, so unlikely to have the funds for headstones!
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« Reply #8 on: Sunday 21 October 18 10:08 BST (UK) »
Presbyterian ministers did keep records (some better than others of course) but not all survive. Education was very important to Ulster Scots and many ministers in here were the driving force to start local schools.
Rasharkin Presbyterian Church was founded in 1830 which is why you will not find earlier records.
Based on the location of Killydonnelly townland - https://www.townlands.ie/antrim/kilconway/rasharkin/killydonnelly/ - the closest earlier Presbyterian church was probably Killymurris, which goes back to 1795 (which is not in the middle of a field at the end of the Duneany Road as shown on Google maps but slightly further south on the Dunminning Road.)
Killymurris is listed under Rasharkin in PRONI Guide to Church Records but baptisms start 1862 and marriages 1855 (after civil registration)-
https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/sites/default/files/publications/Guide_to_church_records.pdf
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