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Re: Descended from a Prince of Wales?
« Reply #18 on: Sunday 24 August 08 16:41 BST (UK) »
Right. I don't do this very often but this is the Owen Glyndwr link for you:


Gruffydd ap Rhys, Lord of South Wales (d.c.1136) m Gwenllian, daughter of Gryffydd ap Cynan

Their son:

Lord Rhys ap Gruffydd (d.c. 1197) m Gwenllian, daughter of Madog ap Meredith

Their son:

Gruffydd (d.c. 1202) m Mawd, daughter of William Breos of Brecknock

Their son:

Owen m Angharad, daughter of Meredydd ap Robert, Lord of Cedewain

Their son:


Meredith m ?

His son:

Owen m. ?

His son:

Thomas m. Eleanor, daughter of Philip of Iscoed  (this marriage united the North and South Wales dynasties)

His daughter:

Ellen/Eleanor m Gruffydd Vychan of Rhydallt, Lord of Glyndyfrdwy

Their offspring:

Owen Glyndwr (d. 1415)  and my ancestor Lowri (m. Robert Puleston of Emral)   


 ::) ::) ::)  -these are all my ancestors too  :o

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Re: Descended from a Prince of Wales?
« Reply #19 on: Sunday 24 August 08 20:32 BST (UK) »
Hello everybody,esp. Gadget,

Hope this fills in some of the blanks or gives you food for thought.?I have,nt shown them before as I can,t verify them but here goes-

Gruffydd is as you say

Lord Rhys-as you say

Gruffydd m. Maud also known as Matilda de Breos[or Braose]

Owen I,m not sure of-all I have is .....? verch Gwion

Maredudd Ap Owain[1215?] m. Elinor verch Maelgwyn

Owain Ap Mareduddd[1246?d.15th, August,1275] m.Angharad verch Owain[also known as Agaret-daughter of Owen Ap Meredith,Lord of Kedewen]


Thomas Ap Llywelin[1309?] m.Eleanor verch Philip--as you say

Ellen m.Gryffudd Fychan II--as you say

And on to Owen Glyndwr.

My line comes in with Thomas Ap Llywelin who was the Lord of the Manor of Llandyssul,Lord of Gwynnionith and Iscoed,Lord of Iscoed Kerdyn and Trefgarn.He was buried in Llandyssul Church in 1309.

He had several children, amongst them obviously Ellen but also Oweyne,Thomas and Gwenllian.

Again my line comes in with Gwenllian who was married to Rys Ap Rhydderch of Castell Howell and Pantstreimon.

Rys Ap Rhydderch was the son of Kydivor Ap Dinwal and Katherine[unknown].
Kydivor was also apparently a descendant of the Lord Rhys and I'm working on this at the moment.Gwenllian was apparently by Thomas Ap Llywelin's 1st. Marriage-conceived when he was certainly under age-she was born in 1279 or 1280.Ellen was his daughter through his 2nd. marriage to Eleanor who it is said was a daughter of Henri Comte de Barri.

It's getting interesting-over to you

Regards,David
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Re: Descended from a Prince of Wales?
« Reply #20 on: Sunday 24 August 08 21:01 BST (UK) »
David  :) :)

The Griffith Pedigrees are presented as Dynastic trees - I checked 3 or 4 for the info I put up. It takes ages to read through because the print is very small.

I'll get back to you in a while.I need to buy a magnifying glass. I left mine in Scotland  ::)


Gadget  :)
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Re: Descended from a Prince of Wales?
« Reply #21 on: Sunday 28 September 08 16:31 BST (UK) »
most of if not all of je griffiths book is on the world connect tree....type in willperf on the database search and away you go...bear in mind there are  a lot of errors in the je pedigrees!

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Re: Descended from a Prince of Wales?
« Reply #22 on: Sunday 28 September 08 16:45 BST (UK) »
I found 5 or 6 copies of the book "  Pedigrees of Anglesey and Carnarvonshire Families  " by J E Griffith on a site selling second hand books...........but you'll need between £500 to £700 to buy one !

David...................who has a Welsh gt grandmother, so maybe I'm descended from OG too  8)
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Re: Descended from a Prince of Wales?
« Reply #23 on: Sunday 28 September 08 17:06 BST (UK) »
Think you'll have to go back a bit further than a great grandmother to get a link in - I linked in with a 6x great grandmother  and Lowri, OG's sister was my 13 x great grandmother  ;D


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Added - so my £60 copy was a good investment  ;D
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Re: Descended from a Prince of Wales?
« Reply #24 on: Sunday 28 September 08 17:15 BST (UK) »
I linked in with a 3x grandmother....born 1790....Elizabeth Williams CAE DDAFYDD Nantmor Beddgelert

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Re: Descended from a Prince of Wales?
« Reply #25 on: Sunday 22 September 19 18:02 BST (UK) »
Is Robert ap Griffith Goch the Robert Puleston, Esq., of Emral, who married Lowri?



https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=0NEKAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA1663&lpg=PA1663&dq=burkes+peerage+lowri+glendower&source=bl&ots=a8P-lPdtqk&sig=ACfU3U14WHk9v6dNR8Kn5q3zMkO5FrM6qg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiVyML9h9XkAhWVi1wKHSXgAd44ChDoATAAegQIBxAB#v=onepage&q=burkes%20peerage%20lowri%20glendower&f=false


Burke's Genealogical and Heraldic History of the Landed Gentry, Volume 2

YALE OF PLAS-YN-YALE           Page 166


GRIFFITH AP EINION, of Cors-y-Gedol, Llysvassi, and
Gwyddelwern, m.  Lowry, widow of Robert ap Griffith
Goch, (see LLOYD OF PLYMOG,) and dau. and co-heir of
Tudor, Lord of Gywddelwern, in Merioneth, (brother of
Owen Glendower ,) derived from Griffith Maelor, Lord of
Bromfield, eldest son of Madoc , last Prince of Powys.




THE YALE PEDIGREE

Lowrie was descended from three different lines of Welsh Princes, all running back to Rhodri Mawr and Cuneda.

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Tudor-159
https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Gruffydd-97
https://www.wikitree.com/photo.php/7/7a/Llywelyn-29.jpg
https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Einion-14





https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=iD4LAAAAYAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=snippet&q=Puleston&f=false

Annals and Antiquities of the Counties and County Families of ..., Volume 1
By Thomas Nicholas

PULESTON    Page 454
Salop Adams,Backhouse,Bailey,Carter,Cartwright,Chambre,Chettoe,Cooper,Erpe,Fewtrell,Gardner,Greenhouse,Gwilliam, Humphrey,Jenks,Morrey,Otherton,Parry,Pickerall,Powell,Pugh,Reeves,Reynolds,Roberts,Rogers,Salter, Whittakers,Worrall,Wright,Yale

Mont.  Davies,Edwards,Hughes,Lewis,Maddox,Mapp,Pritchard
Almeley  Prichard
Battersea  Young
Brechin  Allan,Barrie,Hardie,Mathewson,Mitchell,Strachan,Watt
Chelsea  Coates,Smith
Cheshire  Penlington
Emneth  Bennington
Wisbech  Bell,Briggs,Willcock

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Re: Descended from a Prince of Wales?
« Reply #26 on: Sunday 22 September 19 18:18 BST (UK) »
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