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Re: Descended from a Prince of Wales?
« Reply #27 on: Sunday 22 September 19 18:30 BST (UK) »
Just found the relevant link on the site I gave :

http://www.puleston-jones.com/page22.htm

I'm not sure what cousinship I share with the site owner - I think our lines deviate circa 1700


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Re: Descended from a Prince of Wales?
« Reply #28 on: Sunday 22 September 19 18:52 BST (UK) »
Not contesting or arguing with any points already made,just an observation.
At a crossroads in Shrewsbury ,the end of Pride Hill, there used to stand a memorial cross to  David  the last native Prince of Wales.
He was hanged,drawn and quartered there ,October 3 rd 1283 on the orders of Edward 1 ( Longshanks).
There was an explanatory plaque on the nearby wall.
Guess what? It was moved, away down the hill nearer the station .
Traffic congestion being the excuse.
I used to look at it and imagine a young boy but he was in his forties I now believe.
I still feel sorry it was thought necessary to move it.
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Re: Descended from a Prince of Wales?
« Reply #29 on: Sunday 22 September 19 18:58 BST (UK) »
There were many Princes of Wales, Viktoria, not as now  ;D
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Re: Descended from a Prince of Wales?
« Reply #30 on: Sunday 22 September 19 19:45 BST (UK) »
I am not familiar with it all it was just that he was  named  as the “last native” prince of Wales,well according to Shrewsbury Town Council!.
So important his memorial in the place where he was executed was moved
for traffic!
How ignominious. Shame on them!
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Re: Descended from a Prince of Wales?
« Reply #31 on: Sunday 22 September 19 20:29 BST (UK) »
Just got this from the On-line Bartrum. It's the tree showing Robert Puleston marrying Lowri

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/2:2:3KH2-VL8

 For more details from the on-line records see:

https://www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/Medieval_Families_Welsh_Project


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Re: Descended from a Prince of Wales?
« Reply #32 on: Monday 23 September 19 10:03 BST (UK) »
Gadget, we must be cousins ;D

OG is an 18th GGFather via his daughter Janet who married John Croft

Edward
Scott - Lincolnshire
Jobson - Lincolnshire, Suffolk
Needham - Lincolnshire
Wayet - Lincolnshire

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Re: Descended from a Prince of Wales?
« Reply #33 on: Monday 23 September 19 10:39 BST (UK) »
Gadget, we must be cousins ;D

OG is an 18th GGFather via his daughter Janet who married John Croft

Edward


 ;D

That must be why we both like cricket and hot sauce, Edward!


Think it's something like 15th cousins 4 removed  :o
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Re: Descended from a Prince of Wales?
« Reply #34 on: Thursday 05 December 19 20:09 GMT (UK) »
My gateway was when I traced two descendant lines from Owen Humphrey, (grandfather of the renowned harpist and composer Dafydd y Garreg Wen) to my two grandmothers. Owen is recorded in Y Gestiana as being alive in 1693.
The paternal line is via Owen’s son Humphrey Owen who married Gwen daughter of Robert Dafydd, Isalllt. Robert was the son of Dafydd Vaughan, Glasfryn who can be found in both Griffith’s Pedigrees and Professor T. Ceiri Griffith’s Achau. His lineage is well documented and can be traced back to Owain Gwynedd and beyond.
The maternal line is via Owen Humphrey’s daughter Ann Owen who married John Griffith of Tu hwnt I’r Bwlch. Fortunately, their great-grandson, Ellis Owen, Cefnmeusydd was, among many other things, a genealogist who wrote a short summary of the family tree. Since this went back to the 1500’s it was easy to tie it in with P. C, Bartrum’s work. The trail this time did not lead to O. G. but via the Lords of Nannau and beyond to the Welsh tribes. I decided to stop when I reached Roman Emperor Magnus Maximus (Macsen Wledig from the Mabinogian)(335-388). When using Bartrum one has to believe in the accuracy of the Pedigrees he studied and also suspend any disbelief in the Welsh myths and legends.

Glyn
Jones - Penmachno/Blaenau Ffestiniog/Capel Garmon
Thomas - Abererch/Porthmadog
Evans - Llangelynin/Llanaelhaern
Jones - Pwllheli/Abererch
Brammer - Lincolnshire/Nottinghamshire
Robb - London/Scotland

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Re: Descended from a Prince of Wales?
« Reply #35 on: Thursday 05 December 19 20:21 GMT (UK) »

I think Griffith is more reliable than Bartrum but it is hard on the eyes!

I gave the ref early on in the thread but include it here again:

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The Griffith Pedigrees  is a large book compiled by J. E Griffith of Bangor Univerisity in 1914. The title is Pedigrees of Anglesey and Caernarvonshire Families with their collateral branches in Denbighshire, Merionethshire and other parts. It has been Reprinted twice by Bridge Books, Wrexham.

ISBN 1-872424-63-5
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