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Re: Where Are My Worrall(Warrell) Family Manchester
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 14 May 08 09:48 BST (UK) »
Hello Bursy,

I know it as been a long time, but is your offer still open? If so can you look up a Joseph Worrall.

Unfortunately I know very little, other than he is Peter's father, possibly born in Cheshire.

On Peter and Eliza's marriage certificate his occupation is down as 'carter'. I belive he was living Hulme in 1851, but I could be wrong.

Thanks Marjie
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Re: Where Are My Worrall(Warrell) Family Manchester
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 14 May 08 11:47 BST (UK) »
Hi

I had a look at 1841 as well but all I could come up with was

Peter Warral 15 and John Ledbetter 15, Bricklayers at West Derby,
born  in county,
but now I lok, it's Childwall on the other heading which you've mentioned.

Delf Lane? Half Lane?

HO/107/511/12

Looking at that I had a Cheshire one for 1861.

I'll have another look if I can find it?

Best wishes

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Re: Where Are My Worrall(Warrell) Family Manchester
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 14 May 08 12:21 BST (UK) »
Hi
If you have a look at www.images.manchester.gov.uk
scroll down to "search" and enter Violet Street Hulme.  You will get a photo of nos. 2 - 14 Violet Street.  Not a wonderful picture, but good to have, all the same! Click on the photo to enlarge it, and you can print it.

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Re: Where Are My Worrall(Warrell) Family Manchester
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 14 May 08 20:07 BST (UK) »
Hi Marjie,

This is the only Joseph I could find of the right age

1851 Salford Greengate Unfilmed   HO 107/2223  Page 55  Trans No B150  Shed 196

8 Welton St
WORRAL
Joseph         Head     M     48       Brewer Journeyman           Frodsham, Cheshire
Elizabeth     Wife       M     38                                                       Burnage
Joseph          Son      U      18      Mechanist Journeyman             Hulme
Mary             Dau      U       14      Silk Winder                               Salford
Ann               Dau               11                                                      Salford
Joseph ?       Son                 8       School                                      Salford


Also in the 1855 directory there are 2 Joseph's, none of whom appear in the 1851

Joseph Worrall,   Labourer,   Cross St, Pendleton

Joseph Worrall,   Warehouseman,    12 Victoria Grove, Hulme


Regards, Dave
 


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Re: Where Are My Worrall(Warrell) Family Manchester
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 14 May 08 20:29 BST (UK) »
Hi Dave and all

Now, I've typed this last group up once for 1861, then decided I'd got it wrong - I got the wrong father Peter and thought it wouldn't fit.

I'll try and find them again.

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Re: Where Are My Worrall(Warrell) Family Manchester
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 14 May 08 21:00 BST (UK) »
Hi

Got them again.  That'll teach me.  First instinct!

1861
RG9/2888
Hulme
10 Leaf St
Joseph Worrell       M   H     60 Brewer's man              Frodsham Cheshire
Elizabeth   ,,          M  Wife  48    ,,     ,,  'swife            Burnage Lancashire
Ann Welch             un dau   21  Silk winder                 Salford  ,,
Joseph Jackson  ,,  un son   19   mechanical turner       ,,          ,, 
Ann Wilkeham gdaughter      7   scholar                      Cheshire   Runcorn.

Whar do you think?  There's evidently a second marriage if it is them.

I'll see what else I can see.

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Diggle: Pendleton Lancashire,
Stickley: Dorset, Lancashire
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Re: Where Are My Worrall(Warrell) Family Manchester
« Reply #15 on: Wednesday 14 May 08 22:27 BST (UK) »
How about 1841
HO/107/579/2@

Blakly
Valantand? Brow

Joseph Worrall Silk? Surveyor?    40     y
Elizabeth   do    do     d0              40     y

Not very helpful if it is.  But if our two above are correct, either Joseph's younger children have died or they've moved out for the offspring of the new wife.

I'll have another look.

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Hoey : Louth, Dublin, Lancashire,
Diggle: Pendleton Lancashire,
Stickley: Dorset, Lancashire
Bockmann, Boedemann etc Artist, Europe and London

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Re: Where Are My Worrall(Warrell) Family Manchester
« Reply #16 on: Friday 16 May 08 20:35 BST (UK) »
Wow thanks once again

It is possible that he remarried.

But what convinces me that this is my Joseph is that he lives only a few streets away from Peter and the Fact that Peter isn't living with him in the 41 census.

I know Leaf St (went swimming there as a child) and part of it still exists

Born in Frodsham, same county as the son, also interesting who the granddaughter belongs to, also born in Cheshire.

I will follow this up and let you know what if anything I find.

Big Thanks
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Re: Where Are My Worrall(Warrell) Family Manchester
« Reply #17 on: Friday 16 May 08 23:10 BST (UK) »
Hi

Got them again.  That'll teach me.  First instinct!

1861
RG9/2888
Hulme
10 Leaf St
Joseph Worrell       M   H     60 Brewer's man              Frodsham Cheshire
Elizabeth   ,,          M  Wife  48    ,,     ,,  'swife            Burnage Lancashire
Ann Welch             un dau   21  Silk winder                 Salford  ,,
Joseph Jackson  ,,  un son   19   mechanical turner       ,,          ,, 
Ann Wilkeham gdaughter      7   scholar                      Cheshire   Runcorn.

Whar do you think?  There's evidently a second marriage if it is them.

I'll see what else I can see.

Emms

And this one...

1851 Salford Greengate Unfilmed   HO 107/2223  Page 55  Trans No B150  Shed 196

8 Welton St
WORRAL
Joseph         Head     M     48       Brewer Journeyman           Frodsham, Cheshire
Elizabeth     Wife       M     38                                                       Burnage
Joseph          Son      U      18      Mechanist Journeyman             Hulme
Mary             Dau      U       14      Silk Winder                               Salford
Ann               Dau               11                                                      Salford
Joseph ?       Son                 8       School                                      Salford

Sorry I had not realised they were not posted by the same user.

The evidence doesn't support this is my Joseph, re-married or not. I did find a marriage index for Joseph Worrall and Elizabeth Walsh in 1848 Manchester.

I assume that the question mark next to Joseph in the 1851 return  is a undefinable surname, different from the rest of the family?

Could it be that the grandchilds  surname is Wilkinson?
WORRALLS. HURST, HIGHFIELD
Manchester-Hulme, Deansgate, Earlstown (Newton in Makerfield) Chorlton on Medlock, Newton Heath, Ardwick.