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1861 Lookup Please - LEGATE
« on: Friday 17 November 06 11:57 GMT (UK) »
Could someone please look at the 1861 census for me and see who is living with Ephraim Legate, b 1853? Mother is Martha, but not sure is father, George, is still alive then , or if she has remarried (Huckle possibly?).

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Re: 1861 - Legate look-up please
« Reply #1 on: Friday 17 November 06 12:07 GMT (UK) »
There you go ...

RG9/997; Folio: 72; Page: 30 - in Henlow ...

'New Town'

 
John Huckle 40  Head Ag Lab Shifford
Marth Huckle 35  Wife Straw Plaiter North Hill
George Legate 14  son in law
Alfred Legate 10  do
Ellen Legate 13  do
Ephraim Legate 7  son in law Henlow
Frederic Huckle 4  son Henlow
Sarah Huckle 2 dau do
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Re: 1861 - Legate look-up please
« Reply #2 on: Friday 17 November 06 12:13 GMT (UK) »
Ihave this family in my tree, but as my internet connection has failed I'm stuck in an internet cafe, so will check my records when I get home and I,ll get back to you with details. Martha was Martha Norman from Northill, and, speaking from memory, George Legate was dead by 1861, and she had remarried to John Huckle. She later married an Earl (surname, not a pier of the realm!) in Clifton. George Legate was I recall born in Blunham, but from the Henlow Legates

Whilst they are not in my direct line, the Legates feature prominently in my Henlow tree (my birthplace) and I have a lot of detail on them.

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Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
Beds:   Cople: Luke/Spencer
            Everton: Hale
            Henlow: Cooper/Watts/Sabey/Rook
            Potton:  Merrill
            Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey/Rook
            Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt
Hunts:   Gt Gransden: Merrill/Chandler/Medlock
            Toseland: Surkitt/Hedge/Corn         
Cambs: Bourn: Bowd
            Eltisley: Medlock
            Graveley: Ford/Revell


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Re: 1861 - Legate look-up please
« Reply #3 on: Friday 17 November 06 13:32 GMT (UK) »
Thanks both of you. My actual interest is in Frederick, born 1857. My ancestor is Frederick Legate b 1857 Henlow, yet we cannot find his birth anywhere. We know from his marriage certificate (1881 to Hannah Hughes) that his father was George, a gardener, and that he was dead by then. Someone previously suggested that this could be the Frederick and that perhaps he changed his name to Legate - apparently there's no Frederick Legate b 1857 in the 1861 or 1871 census but he then appears from 1881 onwards, whereas Frederick Huckle is in 1871 but not afterwards! What we don't know is when George died, as it is possible that Frederick was George's son, but was born after Martha remarried.

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Re: 1861 Lookup Please - LEGATE
« Reply #4 on: Friday 17 November 06 17:10 GMT (UK) »
Hi Dave

It may have been me on another board!

My memory is failing! It wasn't George the father who was born at Blunham - it was George and Martha's son George, who was christened 4 Apr 1847 at Blunham.

The 1861 implies that George died sometime between 1853 and 1857, but I haven't checked the registers recently - not since they've been freely available on www.ancestry.co.uk - for either his death or Martha's remarriage. But the relationships are pretty specific- the Legates are all sons in law (=stepson in modern parlance) - whereas Frederic Huckle aged 4 is son

This may be a case which you may never be able to prove - was Frederick Huckle the same person as Frederick Legate; But the first thing to do is to plough through the GRO indexes, and then check Henlow, or was it Clifton?, parish register microfilm.

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Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
Beds:   Cople: Luke/Spencer
            Everton: Hale
            Henlow: Cooper/Watts/Sabey/Rook
            Potton:  Merrill
            Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey/Rook
            Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt
Hunts:   Gt Gransden: Merrill/Chandler/Medlock
            Toseland: Surkitt/Hedge/Corn         
Cambs: Bourn: Bowd
            Eltisley: Medlock
            Graveley: Ford/Revell

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Re: 1861 Lookup Please - LEGATE
« Reply #5 on: Friday 17 November 06 17:22 GMT (UK) »
Just had a quick look - there's a George Leggett died in Biggleswade registration district in the Dec quarter 1855

David
Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
Beds:   Cople: Luke/Spencer
            Everton: Hale
            Henlow: Cooper/Watts/Sabey/Rook
            Potton:  Merrill
            Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey/Rook
            Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt
Hunts:   Gt Gransden: Merrill/Chandler/Medlock
            Toseland: Surkitt/Hedge/Corn         
Cambs: Bourn: Bowd
            Eltisley: Medlock
            Graveley: Ford/Revell

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Re: 1861 Lookup Please - LEGATE
« Reply #6 on: Monday 20 November 06 09:23 GMT (UK) »
David

Thanks - if you are on Genes Reunited then it was you I previously spoke to re this.

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Re: 1861 Lookup Please - LEGATE
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 21 November 06 15:01 GMT (UK) »
Hi Dave
Yes, it was.

I've now found the marriage of John Huckle and Martha Leggett in Biggleswade registration district in Dec quarter 1856, but no sign of Frederick's birth being registered (nor is he on the IGI, onto which Henlow parish register has been extracted for this period);

As he was 4 in 1861 and 14 in 1871 his implied birth was between Apr 1856 and March 1857; So depndent on GEorge Leggett's exact date of death and Frederick's exact birth it might be possible that George was his father rather than John Huckle. Pure speculation, but might Martha have told him who his true father was after John's death, hence the possible change of name to Legate?

The census evidence seems to point to Frederick Huckle being the same person as Frederick Legate, but I' m not sure that you'll ever be able to prove it conclusively, unless you get lucky and either John or Martha left a will.

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David
Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
Beds:   Cople: Luke/Spencer
            Everton: Hale
            Henlow: Cooper/Watts/Sabey/Rook
            Potton:  Merrill
            Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey/Rook
            Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt
Hunts:   Gt Gransden: Merrill/Chandler/Medlock
            Toseland: Surkitt/Hedge/Corn         
Cambs: Bourn: Bowd
            Eltisley: Medlock
            Graveley: Ford/Revell

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Re: 1861 Lookup Please - LEGATE
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 21 November 06 15:07 GMT (UK) »
David

Many thanks for that. I agree that this may be as far as I can get on this branch of my family tree. It certainly doesn't help when they can't even decide on how to spell the name!


Regards

Dave