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My Birchall line
« on: Saturday 18 November 06 16:14 GMT (UK) »
Hello from Tennessee- I wanted to post my line to see if anyone else may be researching the same. I hope it is ok to post so much info at one sitting...I would so love to connect with someone of this line to hopefully share info, documents and pictures... I have no way to know who to obtain documents in the UK, which is why so much of my info is undocumented.
The main thing that I am looking for is a marriage document on George B. Birchall and his wife Lydia Unknown.

I shall start with my great great grandfather- James Henry Birchall born September 19, 1865 in Lincoln, Providence, Rhode Island.

He was the son of:
George B. Birchall- 1835 in (according to census's) Lancashire > Ashton under Lyne > Ashton Town Eng. He emigrated to US 1855, settled
in Lonsdale, RI.
George married: Lydia Unknown

Their children:
Hannah 1854
David William 1858- died September 10, 1859
John Thomas 1859 died October 04, 1859
George B.   January 1860
Sarah Anne 1863
James Henry September 19, 1865
John Birchall 1868

Lydia Unknown and her youngest son died  September 23, 1869
Her husband George goes on to marry a Sarah Duxbury in Lincoln, RI.
She dies July 22, 1882, and George then marries  Janet Howatt Wilson also in Rhode Island.

More on George Birchall:
George was the son of:
David Birchall ( born1786 in Hope, Derbyshire, England)
and Sarah Unknown (  January 04, 1800 in Hope, Derbyshire, England).
This may have been David's 2nd marriage when you look at the difference in ages.
I was told that they married June 26, 1823 in Ashton-under-Lyne, but have no proof of this.
They had 10 children, all born in England.

1. John 1824-? can be found living with brother George in 1880 Rhode Island USA census
2. Hannah 1826-? (believe married James Taylor in 1826 in Ashton under Lyne, St Michael)
3. James 1828-1905 emigrated to US after 1875, settled
in Taunton,MA. Buried  Oak Grove Cemetery,
Pawtucket,RI. Believe he married Maria Tupman
4. Sarah Ann 1832-? (believe she married Francis Sterndale1853 in Ashton under Lyne, St Michael- then married Charles Ashworth1874 in Ashton under Lyne, St Michael)
5. George B. (my line) 1835-1908 emigrated to US 1854, settled
in Lonsdale, RI. Buried Moshassuck Cemetery, Central
Falls, RI.
6. Jane 1837-? (believe married Thomas Greenhalgh1857in Ashton under Lyne, St Michael)
7. Elizabeth 1839_? (believe married Joseph Horn 1870 in Ashton under Lyne, St Peter)
8. Fanny 1841/2- 1919 (married James Lord  1864 Hyde, St George. They emigrated to US ? settled in
Lonsdale,RI. Buried Moshassuck Cemetery, Central
Falls, RI.
9. Josiah 1843-?
10. David 1844-?


The following are various census's that seem to go along with what I believe :

1841 England Census > Lancashire > Ashton under Lyne > Ashton Town > District 21
Oldham Pond
David Birchell  60
Sarah 40
John 17
Hannah 15
James 13
Sarah 11
George 9
Jane 5
Elizabeth 2


1851  Lancashire > Ashton under Lyne > Ashton Town > District 28
Birchall David
Sarah wife
John son age 26
James son age 22
Sarah Ann daut age19
George Son age 17
Jane daut age 14
Elizabeth daut age 12
Fanny daut age 10
Joseph son age 8
David son age 4
Isaac Lomas  lodger it was Lomas  age 34
Ogdin Joseph age 18 lodger

1861 England Census > Lancashire > Ashton under Lyne > Ashton Town > District 28
parish- aston under lyne/ muninciple bourogh of ashton wl/ muninciple ward of st. peter/ town of ashton/ ecclesiastical district christ church
oldham rd 87
david birchall 74 AG lab/ born in derbyshire hope (Hope, Derbyshire, England)
sarah 56 housekeeper/ born in derbyshire hope
elizabeth daughter 22 cotton pourer and weaver born in Lancashire county  ashton parish
Jousha son 17 cursher? born in Lancashire ashton parish
david son 14  bobbin turner born in Lancashire ashton parish
isaac lomas ? cousin 44 ag lab, born in derbyshire hope


1871 England Census > Lancashire > Ashton under Lyne > Ashton Town > District 28
same road as above:
sarah is now a widow and is 70 yrs of age-
john son 45
david son 28
james lord (son n law) 30 born in Lancashire ashton parish
fanny daughter 29
sarah ann 5
isaac lomas 56  lodger

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Re: My Birchall line
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 18 November 06 16:50 GMT (UK) »
Hi,  :)

Welcome to rootschat, its a great site!!

I had a look for the marriage of George Birchall and Lydia, and found this -

There are two entrys for George, one being Vol 8d page 673 Ashton under Lyne June 1854, the other being page 675, and on the same page, an entry for Lydia Hiland

Going back to the full indexes, I found an entry for Lydia Hiland, Ashton under Lyne Vol 8d Page 675 and also a corresponding entry for George Birchall on page 675, so would this be around the right time for the marriage?

If so, you can order the certificate at -

www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificate

Regards
Catherine  :)
Dunning/Downing, Osborn/e, Astley -Cheshire/Birmingham/Middlesex
Fanthorpe/Hall/Driffill/Storm - Lincolnshire
Bower/Woodward/Bingham/Pettinger/Shaw - Nottinghamshire
Shaw, Marland - Lancashire
Broph(e)y - Queens County, Ireland
Richards - Neath Swansea
Hunt/Fox - Lincs, Waterfield/Middleton - Staffs
Hart/Harland/Askew/Scales - Yorkshire
Brereton/Vickers - Cheshire
Gleaves/Sandford/Hulse/Hulme - Wolstanton/Audley Staffs
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Re: My Birchall line
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 18 November 06 16:55 GMT (UK) »
WOW-  ;D
You are good!!!!!!!!!!!!!! thanks

can you tell me what info i may find in such a record from England? 


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Re: My Birchall line
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 18 November 06 17:05 GMT (UK) »
Hi,

Marriage at St. Michaels, Ashton Under Lyne:

George Birchall and Lydia Hiland
9th June, 1854
His father was David Birchall
Her Father was Thomas Thomas Hiland

Regards,
Mo
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Re: My Birchall line
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 18 November 06 17:08 GMT (UK) »
Plenty of practice looking for my own elusive difficult ancestors!!!  ;D

English marriage certificates have the names and addresses at time of marriage of bride and groom, the occupation of the groom, the names and occupations of both fathers, and two witnesses names (sometimes family members), the name of the church/parish married in and the date of marriage.

Does it say on US birth certificates the maiden name of the mother ? (it does in the UK) Because if you didn't want to risk getting the wrong marriage certificate, I was thinking you could get the birth certificate of one of the children you know the definite birthdate of, ie; your gg grandfather James Henry Birchall, not very good with research in the US so not sure of info supplied on their certificates......

Good Luck, you'll find loads of help on here  :)
Catherine
Dunning/Downing, Osborn/e, Astley -Cheshire/Birmingham/Middlesex
Fanthorpe/Hall/Driffill/Storm - Lincolnshire
Bower/Woodward/Bingham/Pettinger/Shaw - Nottinghamshire
Shaw, Marland - Lancashire
Broph(e)y - Queens County, Ireland
Richards - Neath Swansea
Hunt/Fox - Lincs, Waterfield/Middleton - Staffs
Hart/Harland/Askew/Scales - Yorkshire
Brereton/Vickers - Cheshire
Gleaves/Sandford/Hulse/Hulme - Wolstanton/Audley Staffs
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Re: My Birchall line
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 18 November 06 17:21 GMT (UK) »
The only Lydia Hiland I could find in 1841 is this one -

H0107/533/3 Folio 5 Page 2
Chapel Street, Audenshaw and Droylesden, Ashton under Lyne, Lancs

Thomas Hiland 40 Hatter J
Martha 35
Lucy 15 Weaver Cott?
John 15 Weaver Cott?
Liddia 8
Alice 6
Mary 2

All born in county

Regards,
Catherine

Dunning/Downing, Osborn/e, Astley -Cheshire/Birmingham/Middlesex
Fanthorpe/Hall/Driffill/Storm - Lincolnshire
Bower/Woodward/Bingham/Pettinger/Shaw - Nottinghamshire
Shaw, Marland - Lancashire
Broph(e)y - Queens County, Ireland
Richards - Neath Swansea
Hunt/Fox - Lincs, Waterfield/Middleton - Staffs
Hart/Harland/Askew/Scales - Yorkshire
Brereton/Vickers - Cheshire
Gleaves/Sandford/Hulse/Hulme - Wolstanton/Audley Staffs
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Re: My Birchall line
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 18 November 06 17:27 GMT (UK) »
Same family are transcibed as Hoyland in 1851 census, same address, if you haven't got access, let me know and I'll post details.

Catherine
Dunning/Downing, Osborn/e, Astley -Cheshire/Birmingham/Middlesex
Fanthorpe/Hall/Driffill/Storm - Lincolnshire
Bower/Woodward/Bingham/Pettinger/Shaw - Nottinghamshire
Shaw, Marland - Lancashire
Broph(e)y - Queens County, Ireland
Richards - Neath Swansea
Hunt/Fox - Lincs, Waterfield/Middleton - Staffs
Hart/Harland/Askew/Scales - Yorkshire
Brereton/Vickers - Cheshire
Gleaves/Sandford/Hulse/Hulme - Wolstanton/Audley Staffs
Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov

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Re: My Birchall line
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 18 November 06 19:05 GMT (UK) »
thanks to you all- I have been at a lost for this info for several years... It seems I am the only one in my direct line searching on our family- :(

can you tell me where to go to get access to the UK census's- any besides ancestry- my free trial has already ended I believe

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Re: My Birchall line
« Reply #8 on: Monday 20 November 06 21:39 GMT (UK) »
There is a marriage at Ashton under Lyne St Michael for David BIRCHALL and Sarah BRAIDWELL, 13 Oct 1823.

This is listed on the IGI section of the LDS site

http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=igi/search_IGI.asp&clear_form=true

Hope this helps,

Jean
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CHS: Barber(Tabley) Barlow(Antrobus) Blackshaw(Lymm, Mobberley) Blease/Done/Moore(G Bud) Owen(Netherton, Tabley) Spragg/Witter(Goostrey) Youd(Frodsham) Pennell Bankes Birchall Beckett
DBY: Higginbottom(Mellor)
HRT: Gurney
HRT/BED/ESS: Verney (Markyate St)
LAN: Davenport(Bolton) Schofield/Gurney(Oldham) Lord(Heap) Quinn(Manchester) Sutcliffe(Rossendale)
NTH: Tubb/Johnson(Hellidon)Brown(Kettering)
YKS: Scott(Clapham)