Frustrated Sutherland Seeks Sutherlands

[JenClark]

Hey Bryce, well that is a few Sutherlands!!!!

At first glance it looks to me like two different families, or even three, as although there are not too many duplicate names there are too many Margaret's 

You have:

Margaret born c 1780 (d. 1863) Parents William Sutherland, Ann Sutherland
Margaret born c 1781 (d. 1855) Parents William Sutherland, Ann Sutherland
Margaret born c 1786 - no death recorded (you have 2 dated 1786 so I am assuming they are the same person)

If it was the one couple why would they name two living daughter's Margaret? If it is two families why would there be a third Margaret...as it appears that Margaret 1 & 2 lived to adulthood?? I am assuming that none of these Margaret's have parish baptisms to check?? As they may give more clues, i.e Margaret daughter of William of............. It may even give occupations, though I assume they would all be crofters, or farmers?

So these are the children attributed to William and Ann Sutherland of 'Mulbuie'

Esther (1783) - mother's mother ----- not sure where she fits yet 
Donald (b1784) - father's father
Margaret (b1786) - father's mother
Kathrine (b1788)
Jean (b1789)
Helen (b1792)
Ann (b1794)
Elizabeth (b1796)
William (b1798) - mother's father
Amelia (b1803)

So that leaves us:

Adam (b1770) - father's father
Robert (b1777) - mother's father
Margaret (b1781) - father's mother
Neil (b 1782)
Esther (b 1783) ----- I am adding her here as you think she may be your family due to the name - mother's mother

That would make your family:

Adam Sutherland and wife Margaret = son William Sutherland
Robert Sutherland and wife Esther = daughter Ann Sutherland

Does this fit any baptisms? Or do we have possible marriages for William Sutherland's and Ann Sutherland's to see if there are two or even three??

I'll see if I can dig anything up 

Jen

[ostler]

Does this fit any baptisms? Or do we have possible marriages for William Sutherland's and Ann Sutherland's to see if there are two or even three??

Of course not, that would be far too easy! Nothing on IGI anyway. I'm going back to NRH on Thursday with any luck...

[JenClark]

Yeah I couldn't see anything on the IGI either, but the coverage is relatively sparse. I think the key will be to find marriages for William Sutherland and Ann Sutherland......if they exist 

Did both the deaths for Margaret Sutherland (d.1855 & d. 1863) give William Sutherland and Ann Sutherland (nee Sutherland) as the parents?

Good luck!

Let me know how you go

Jen

[ostler]

Did both the deaths for Margaret Sutherland (d.1855 & d. 1863) give William Sutherland and Ann Sutherland (nee Sutherland) as the parents?

Yes, they did.

[JenClark]

Looking more like two seperate families from William Sutherland and Ann Sutherland's then.....

Fancy that two couples with the same name and same last name marrying at about the same time in the same area......gotta be a Sutherland 

[ostler]

Oh shush, Clark.

[JenClark]

  You don't want to get me started on my Clark's 

Good luck mate!

[ostler]

Back from New Register House again. More questions than answers as usual.

Does this fit any baptisms?

No.

Or do we have possible marriages for William Sutherland's and Ann Sutherland's to see if there are two or even three??

No.

Found more descendants of William and Ann Sutherland! Plus some other stuff.

Can't find Neil Sutherland baptised 1782 at NRH. Closest was Neil Sutherland baptised 6 Feb 1778, son of John Sutherland of Balnabruich.

Closest marriage was William Sutherland married Ann Sutherland 2nd Jan 1778 at Canisbay.

Can't find Esther at NRH.

Possible baptism of Adam (born c1770):

Willm Sutherland in Achcastle had a child baptised named Adam. Witnesses Willm Sutherland Grieve at Langwell and Jas. Miller there. (9/4/1774)

Robert (born c1777)

William Sutherland in Cairn of Berriedale had a child baptised named Robert (7/4/1777).

William Sutherland in Bad Bhae had a child baptised named Robert. (18/8/1777).

Margaret (born c1786)

William Sutherland in Lower Millary had a child baptised named Margaret. (5/2/1777)

William Sutherland in Bouleden had a child baptised named Margaret. (8/1779)

Possibly a child of Neil's... entry was unfinished, or they hadn't chosen a name!

Niel Sutherland Achastle, Berriedale, had a child named ... (13 May 1812)

Two more descendants of William and Ann:

Jane Sutherland (pauper), married to John Sutherland, died 19th July 1875 at Knockally age 83, daughter of William Sutherland and Ann Sutherland (MS Sutherland). General debility from old age, gradual. Informant Adam Sutherland, son. So possibly Jane/Jean b c1789.

William Sutherland, crofter and fisherman, married to Janet Sutherland died 8th March 1871 at Houstry, Dunbeath age 73 years. Son of William Sutherland and Ann Sutherland (MS Sutherland). Cancer of , some years. Informant Donald Sutherland, son (present). Possibly William b c1798.

Ergh.

[JenClark]

Not more surely!!!

Well another William and Jane hey, correct me if I am wrong but William Sutherland (d 1871) aged 73yrs would put his birth as 1798 ...... so he is already listed as a child of William & Ann Sutherland of Mulbuie...right?

As for Jane she died 1875 aged 83yrs so born abt 1792...... there is already a Helen Sutherland b 1792 so unless she is a twin (which she could be) she is perhaps from your family? Or she could be Jean b 1789 as you mentioned, as they are often a few years off aren't they 

Typical that both of them married Sutherlands too 

The baptisms you found put William's living in various locations:

1774 - Achcastle (part of Berriedale?) Adam
1777 - Cairn of Berriedale Robert and Bad Bhae Robert and Lower Millary Margaret
1779 - Bouleden Margaret

Just purely by the three baptisms in 1777, I would be leaning towards three seperate William Sutherland's having kids at the same time, it doesn't help us with who they all were married to, but I think we can hazard a guess that two at least were married to different Ann Sutherland's!!

Do we know where these places are? I mean even if they moved around a bit, how likely is it that no two children were baptised at the same place??

Man these guys are certainly a challenge!

Jen