my GGGF john campbell born longleys perth scotland

[aweepeep]

Hi,

I need help trying to locate my Scottish relatives.   

My GGF was a master mariner John Campbell, he was born in Perthshire in 1826. Details from the Lloyd's Captain Register. I have emailled National Maritime Museum to see if there are any records, but the cost is very expensive and I want to make certain that I have the right re lo.

His father was Duncan Campbell and we have a record from the LDS IGI site of a marriage to a  Elizabeth Baxter on 27 Jan 1822 at Meigle, Perth Scotland. Before I obtain the certificate, would someone be so kind and look up the Perthshire censuses and see if there is a record of Duncan, Elizabeth and any other person.

I do not have any other details other than John's age (15 yrs - 1841, 25 yrs - 1851).

Could someone please help as I would like to try and trace my re lo's as far back as possible.


Kind regards

A weepeep

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[runningbear]

good afternoon my friend, welcome to rootshat, you may need to give a little more info on your john, i have access to the 41/51/61 censuses and i cannot find your john with a duncan or an elizabeth, in saying that can you tell me if he married and who he married

trying to help

Joe

[aweepeep]

Hi Joe,

Thanks for reply and your search of the censuses.

The info I have on John originally came from the Lloyd's Captain's Register and the Lancashire census for 1871 where he was married. But his where born was simply Scotland. I have the marriage cert which listed Duncan as the father.

I have recently found out his birth year and place from the Lloyd's Captain's Register 1869.
The copy I got of the LCR was blurred but I could make out 1826, Perthshire and a ship's name when he was captain when his son was born. I know this is my GGF.
Have just tried to get a better copy of LCR but it was out of focus when originally copied and I will have to try and get a better copy. There are also ships and dates that will help me.

I thought that we may be able to locate him on one of the Scottish census, but not having access I tried to locate any info from the LDS site. That's where I found the marriage of Duncan Campbell & Elizabeth Baxter in Perthshire.
I hit upon that marriage because John my GGF had two children. A John and Elizabeth Baxter Campbell. John my GF was born at sea and Elizabeth was born in Liverpool Eng. Knowing The Scots on how they name their children after other family members and the combination of Elizabeth Baxter as a first and second name could not be overlooked.

Looks like I will have to order the marriage cert and hope that it is what I need.

I have even tried the Scottishpeople site for GGF's birth/baptism records and funny there is no record. 

Sorry to be so long winded, but being in Australia you feel so isolated once you start tracing oversea's re los.

Anyway many thanks for your assistance and hope to speak to you again.


Kind regards

Robert

[runningbear]

hi robert, let's start with this

1871 census; 20 argyll street, liverpool

john...head...age 45...master mariner...born scotland
mary A...wife...age 30...born birmingham
john D...son...age 6...born at sea
elizabeth B...dau...age 3...born liverpool

so what we need know is the marriage of john, maybe around 1863/1864

when did the family come to oz robert?

Joe

[runningbear]

after a few hours search i have this

john married mary ann louisa usher on the 3rd march 1864 at saint mary edge hill.

their daughter elizabeth baxter was born 29th july 1867 and christened at st.peter's on 4th august 1868

all details from the igi's. also noted on the igi's is the death of elizabeth baxter campbell on the 12th february 1908.

interesting was the find on the 1841 census for meigle perth.

village of longleys, meigle

robert baxter...age 70...ag labourer
helen baxter...age 70
james baxter...age 40...farmer
mary campbell...age 10
george fraser...age 20...ag labourer

this looks to me if this is duncan's daughter staying with her grandparents, what do you think?

Joe

[aweepeep]

Hi Joe,


Sorry I did not get back to u sooner.
Thanks very much for the info and your efforts.

I tried to search thru the LDS on Elizabeth Baxter Campbell to c if there could be any living re los in OZ. But the trials have gone cold. I need to look at the Victorian Electoral Rolls and that will take some time.
My thought was that they may have some info on her brother John and possibly their father John (MM).
I do know that Eliz came to Oz in about 1881, but I don't exactly when and with who.

Mary A, her mother born in birmingham does not appear on any English census after 1871, nor does John her son.  Perhaps they were sailing to Oz, but the only census I can find in Oz is from 1901. I haven't look there.

I have my GGF's marriage parish record for John & Mary A that is where I found out his father's name was Duncan.  Hence my trying to locate more details for Perthshire.


Going back John (MM), I posted a request on the  Rootschat Occupation Interests  board for help with LCR 1869, but as yet have not had any replies. I need to determine the dates he was on board and then try to locate any other info.

Mary Campbell u found in the 1841 census could be Duncan's daughter, but I will need to look further. Have tried the LDS IGI but still going. It is an interesting point.

If you have any other ideas, and I do look forward to them, please let me know.


Thanks again for all your help.

Kind regards

aweepeep

[aweepeep]

Hi Joe,

Good evening, the weather in Sydney Australia is rain, lots of rain and we sure need it.
How is the Sottish weather?
You were very helpful with info on a recent post.
Can you assist me again.  ; D

I have now got a clear copy of the Lloyd's Captain Register 1869 and have included in this post-
 
Campbell John. Perthshire, 1826.
   C 88690, Dundee, 1854
   Ship - Mary Waugh, 1854 - 6, to Aust.
   ship - Moulin, 1,170, 1856-61, to West & East Indies.
   ship - Bellona, 24140, 1861 to West Indies.
   ship - Bellona, 24140, 1861-62, West Indies.
   ship - Bon Accord, 43,123, 1863-6, to East Indies.
   ship - The Duke,  15028, 1866-67, to West Indies; lost Jan 1867

I emailed the National Maritime Museum and they have a copy of a Masters Certificate, in his name, place and year of birth but the issue date is 1868. I am a bit reluctant to purchase it at this time as it would cost about $80 to $100. I have in the past ordered certs only to find they are the wrong ones, this happens to everyone. I have also located a cert with the same number but a different name.

Joe, do you know of anyone that goes to the National Maritime Museum that could look up the copy and verify the ships listed, if they are. I know this is a very big ask but I have emailled the museum of several occasions seeking further info, to make sure the cert is mine, and they have given me a research's website and a site with research guidance. If this is too big an ask or breaches copyright, let me know. It really is the only sure link that I have to my Scottish ancestors.

You mentioned that you have the 1851 census, could you look up and see if he is mentioned in Dundee. He would be aged 25 and he may have been in a training area or a training ship.

I have googled searched for a Historical Society at Dundee, as there was a lot of ship building and mariners, and not knowing the area am unsure if there is one which specialises with Master Mariners. Can you help me there?

I mentioned before that I could not find his birth/baptism on Scottishpeople site. Could that be he was not registered or was there a time limitation on registration. I know in England post 1837 that you had approx 6 weeks to register a birth and after that they could not be registered. I read that on an English post many years ago.

Sorry to be so long, I am piecing together the relos in England and want to do the same with the Scots.


As always, kindness regards and thanks for at least taking the time to read my posts.

aweepeep

[aweepeep]

Hi,

Can anyone help me with any details on the birth of my ggf John Campbell who was born
in 1826 at Longleys Perth.

His father's name was Duncan and I believe his mother's name was Elizabeth Baxter.

Have tried unsuccessfully at the Scottispeople & LDS sites for any info.
He, nor his parents are listed on the Scottish 1851 census.

I have details of when he lived in England, but very little about him from Scotland.

Can anyone help.


Kind regards

wweepeep

[aweepeep]

Hi,

I have just found out that my ggf John Campbell was born on 21 July 1826 at Longleys Perth.

Have just checked the LDS and the Scottishpeople sites, but cannot locate his birth certificate.

If I can locate a birth cert then I can try to locate is parents.

Can anyone help.

Regards

aweepeep