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Re: Searching for info...
« Reply #18 on: Friday 26 January 07 09:10 GMT (UK) »
Hi Cat,

This is brilliant, I am stoked for you. Dosent it feel awesome when you get those longed for breakthroughs.

It always amazes me how the elder folk say they dont remember/know anything,( I get the same thing all the time), but usually its the smallest tidbit of information that brings all the memories all rushing back to them. I agree with Bunny, get on that information train while its still chugging.

Thinking outside the suare or as Bunny puts it "quantum leaping"  Really pays off sometimes. There are grey areas in genealogy, its not always black and white.

Hope we can get the same results with the Fosters :)

Cheers
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« Reply #19 on: Friday 26 January 07 09:12 GMT (UK) »
Cat

Thought you might like this

1901 - indexed as TRUDELOVE
62 Adys Road, Camberwell
Elizabeth L TRUELOVE wife M 47 born Wiltshire, Salisbury
Francis N TRUELOVE son S 18 Ironmongers Manager, born London, Peckham

1891 census - indexed as TRUDON
86 Fulham Road, Kensington
Francis M TRUELOVE, Head M 36 Licensed Victualler born Surrey, Camberwell
Elizabeth L TRUELOVE, Wife M 37 born Wilts, Hindon
Francis N TRUELOVE, son S 8 Scholar born Surrey, Camberwell
plus some visitors


Marriage Dec qtr 1852 Eastbourne 2b 85
Michael TRUELOVE and Sarah SUTTON

Birth Jun qtr 1855 Camberwell 1d 431
Francis Michael TRUELOVE

Marriage Jun qtr 1881 St Saviour 1d 105
Francis Michael TRUELOVE and Elizabeth BRIGHT

Death Mar qtr 1872 Camberwell 1d 453
Michael TRUELOVE

Death Dec qtr 1915 Camberwell 1d 1120
Francis M TRUELOVE aged 60

Have other census stuff back to 1841. Will send it later.

Extracted entry on IGI
Mich TRUELOVE s/o Wm TRUELOVE & Sar baptised 6 Sep 1818, Buckland Surrey.

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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

CLAPHAM, PARKINSON, Leeds and London
TOMLIENS, Herefordshire and Southwark
CLARKE, Sussex, Cambridge and Shropshire
FAULCONER, MANNINGTON, RICHARDSON, TICEHURST, BROOK, ELPHICK, FURNER All Sussex
UDY, CLEMENCE/CLEMENTS,WHITE, COITE, COBELDICK, Cornwall
BROOKING, Devon, India
FERNANDEZ, London, Somerset, Herefordshire
RUSH, CARTER, GIBSON, REMINGTON, London and Surrey
CHALKLEY, OLNEY, Hertfordshire
HARRIS, Essex

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« Reply #20 on: Friday 26 January 07 10:16 GMT (UK) »
1881
38 Rye Lane, Camberwell

Francis M TRUELOVE head unm 26 Publican born Surrey, Peckham

James B TRUELOVE brother unm 24 Publican born Surrey, Peckham
Amelia E TRUELOVE sister unm 23 born Surrey, Peckham
Alice A TRUELOVE sister unm 20 born Surrey, Peckham
Frances E TRUELOVE sister unm 19 born Surrey, Peckham
Nellie H TRUELOVE sister unm 15 born Surrey, Peckham
Sarah E PRODGER/PRODYER cousin mar 37 born Middlesex St Giles
Harry G PRODGER/PRODYER cousins son unm 5 born Sussex Eastbourne
Maria HART servant unm 27 Domestic servant born Surrey, Walworth.

Extracted entry on IGI
Elizabeth Lois BRIGHT d/o George BRIGHT & Ann baptised 7 Mar 1852 Hindon, Wiltshire.

Reg Mar qtr 1852 Tisbury 5a 236 Elizabeth Lois BRIGHT - Tisbury district covers Hindon

1881
51 Camden Pk Rd, St Pancras "Lord Stanley"
William JARVIS head mar 39 Publican
Sophia JARVIS wife mar 38
Lois BRIGHT Serv unm 27 Barmaid born Wilts Hindon
Mary HUTTON Serv unm 19 Barmaid born Kent Greenwich

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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

CLAPHAM, PARKINSON, Leeds and London
TOMLIENS, Herefordshire and Southwark
CLARKE, Sussex, Cambridge and Shropshire
FAULCONER, MANNINGTON, RICHARDSON, TICEHURST, BROOK, ELPHICK, FURNER All Sussex
UDY, CLEMENCE/CLEMENTS,WHITE, COITE, COBELDICK, Cornwall
BROOKING, Devon, India
FERNANDEZ, London, Somerset, Herefordshire
RUSH, CARTER, GIBSON, REMINGTON, London and Surrey
CHALKLEY, OLNEY, Hertfordshire
HARRIS, Essex

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« Reply #21 on: Friday 26 January 07 10:23 GMT (UK) »
Woo hoo!!! ;D  Way to go Ian!!!!

Cat, remember that Francis Norman wasn't born until after the 1881 census which is why he conveniently doesn't show up.

Looks like you're in with a grin now.

Cheers

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« Reply #22 on: Friday 26 January 07 20:03 GMT (UK) »
Wow thanks for that Ian,
Yes the Fosters are very good at hiding their tracks aren't they! I'm hoping my grandmother may have some info soon that can maybe help some!

A tiny bit of news on Carlton side from dad was that maybe a generation before Alan immigrated from Scotland, he mentioned Alan had a brother named Jack, and he had something to do with the Caledonia Society, also mentioned Clan Farquarson. Haha i won't even attempt to find that link as yet, bit out of my capabilities i think. But if someone could possibly help me find a immigration from Scotland to NZ for Carltons that would be fantastic, may be a stab in the dark for all i know but worth a go. Dad is unsure if Alan was born in NZ but seems to lean towards it. Also maybe bit of Spanish there somewhere but i won't say for sure. Possibly mother is. Thought i'd mention, maybe pointless though!

Ian, your census's are great, they fit better then the trail i was following! I seem to always get on wrong track! Always good to have a second pair of eyes aye!

Thanks everyone!
Cat  ;D
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« Reply #23 on: Friday 26 January 07 20:45 GMT (UK) »
1871
38 Rye Lane, Peckham, Camberwell
Michael TRUELOVE head mar 52 Licensed Victualler born Surrey, Buckland
Sarah TRUELOVE wife mar 43 born Sussex, Eastbourne
Sarah M TRUELOVE dau unm 17 born Surrey, Peckham
Francis M TRUELOVE son unm 16 born Surrey, Peckham
Amelia C/E TRUELOVE dau unm 13 born Surrey, Peckham
Alice A TRUELOVE dau unm 10 born Surrey, Peckham
Fanny E TRUELOVE dau unm 9 born Peckham, Surrey
Margaret TRUELOVE sister unm 47 Visitor born Surrey, Buckland
plus a couple of servants

1871
64 St Georges Square, London
Robert N CUST, head mar 50 Barrister at law born Hatley, Bedfordshire
plus wife and two daughters and
Elizabeth BRIGHT Domestic servant, unm 19 Housemaid, born Hindon, Wiltshire


1861
Rye Lane, Peckham, Camberwell (could be Rise Lane)
"Hanover Arms"
Michael TRUELOVE, head mar 42 Licensed victualler born Buckland, Surrey
Sarah TRUELOVE wife mar 32 born Eastbourne, Sussex
Francis Mich'l TRUELOVE son unm 6 born Peckham, Surrey
Sarah Marg't TRUELOVE dau unm 7 born Peckham, Surrey
Fanny SUTTON wife's sister unm 25 born Eastbourne, Sussex
Jane NEWMAN servant unm 26 born Eastbourne, Sussex
John MAY servant unm 23 born Peckham, Surrey
George ROBERTS servant unm 17 born Peckham, Surrey

1861 - possibly Elizabeth and parents - no other Elizabeths that age
Hindon, Wiltshire
George BRIGHT, head mar 50 Ag Lab, born Wiltshire, Chicklade
Ann BRIGHT wife mar 46 born Cardigan, Killia ??
Elizabeth E BRIGHT dau unm 9 born Wiltshire, Hindon
George BRIGHT son unm 6 born Wiltshire, Hindon
John J BRIGHT son unm 4 born Wiltshire, Hindon

Looks like there is some Welsh ancestry there too.

The IGI has a lot of TRUELOVEs baptised and married at Buckland in Surrey, going back a fair way, so they are all probably connected in some way.

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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

CLAPHAM, PARKINSON, Leeds and London
TOMLIENS, Herefordshire and Southwark
CLARKE, Sussex, Cambridge and Shropshire
FAULCONER, MANNINGTON, RICHARDSON, TICEHURST, BROOK, ELPHICK, FURNER All Sussex
UDY, CLEMENCE/CLEMENTS,WHITE, COITE, COBELDICK, Cornwall
BROOKING, Devon, India
FERNANDEZ, London, Somerset, Herefordshire
RUSH, CARTER, GIBSON, REMINGTON, London and Surrey
CHALKLEY, OLNEY, Hertfordshire
HARRIS, Essex

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« Reply #24 on: Monday 29 January 07 08:01 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for all those census's Ian, they are fantastic, from what i have seen i don't think truelove is a very common name, the census i was following went back to Buckland to so i would say you are right that they are probably all conncected.
Thanks cat  ;D
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« Reply #25 on: Wednesday 31 January 07 10:28 GMT (UK) »
Hi there Madam Cat,

While Ian is going backwards (in a good way) I'm going forwards. :D

From 'The Dominion' on Friday June 26, 1964, page 18 comes the following:

TRUELOVE, Francis Norman, or 35 Bolton Street, Petone.  On 25 June 1964 at Wellington, beloved husband of the late Catherine Truelove and loved father of Jack, Muriel, Joe, Nora, Kathleen and Alice: in his 82nd year.  No flowers please.  The funeral service will be held in the Small Crematorium Chapel, Karori Cemetery, tomorrow (Saturday) June 27, 1964 at 1pm.  EH Shirley & Son.

...and then I happened to look sideways and saw....

Roll of Honour Deaths:
TRUELOVE, Francis Norman, No. 527406.  Royal Army Medical Corps, 1914-1918 World War, Boer War verteran and member of the K.E.V. Association.

Now I don't yet know what the KEV Association is but the last word has to be Veterans I suspect.  Emigrating Veterans???  Anyway that fortuitous glance means you can probably crack onto his military records in the UK given you know what his number was and what type of unit he was in.

But I still had a problem.  The obit said 'the late Catherine' but I had already told you that she had died after he had!!  That meant I had told you a porky (or the NZSG Index had in that it has a typo!).  However all is not lost.  After another quantum leap here is a notice from 'The Dominion' on Tuesday February 7, 1956, page 1:

TRUELOVE - On February 5, 1956 at her resident 35 Bolton Street, Petone, Catherine Mary, dearly loved wife of Francis Norman Truelove, and loved mother of Jack, Joe, Muriel, Nora, Nellie, Kathleen and the late Phyllis and Phillip, aged 73 years.  No flowers please.  Private Cremation.  Gee & Hickton Ltd, Lower Hutt and Petone.

So what does this tell us apart from the fact that Catherine died in 1956 instead of 1966?  It confirms that the Phillip in Karori Cemetery is their son.  Don't know where Phyllis is.  The notices also confirm that Alice Nellie is their daughter and more than likely the AM Truelove that came out on the Rimutaka.  Also if Catherine died in 1956 aged 73 that puts her approx year of birth at 1882/1883.  www.freebmd.org only has record of two Catherine Mary Turner's born in that period.  One in the June quarter of 1883 in the district of Woolwich, vol 1d, page 1180, and one in the September quarter of 1883 in the district of Camberwell, vol 1d, page 927.  The Woolwich one is more likely as that is the same district where Francis Norman was birth registered (I think).  However getting their marriage cert would clear up which person is which.  I'm betting on the Woolwich one.

And then upstairs in the Wellington City Newspapers Index I found this wee gem:

TRUELOVE, Jack Raymond - On June 18, 1984, at Christchurch.  Dearly beloved husband of the late Jean, loved father and father in law of Judith and Peter Cousins and a loved grandfather of Michelle and Nicola.  In his 81st year.  Messages to 57 Stanbury Avenue, Christchurch 2.  A funeral service to be held at Christchurch tomorrow (Wednesday).  Lamb and Hayward Ltd.

So while I was feeling happy with that I forgot to look Phillip up!  Will go back and do that at some point and also look at the Christchurch papers to see if there is more info on where Jack may be buried as he is not in any of the Christchurch cemeteries.

All in all a good days work there, I think. ;D

Cheers

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« Reply #26 on: Wednesday 31 January 07 21:36 GMT (UK) »
 ;D WOW. That is great Bunny! Thank you so much. Haha funny that he was in military as Dad said he thought he was a soldier, i said to him about Francis being a carpenter (shipping papers) and he then dismissed him being a soldier, yet he was right wasn't he. My dad is known for making things more interesting then they really are (the spanish link??) haha, but maybe he is actually right! I did say to dad that he may have been a soldier at some point.
Anyway that is fantastic bunny! I appreciate all the time and effort you have put into this! I got a bit creeped out over Catherine, my name is Catherine and never realised that there was another in the family! then to see she may be born 1883! I'm 1983! lol. I get creeped easily!  ::)

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