Hello,
Thank you for the help, I will organise and order the death certificate for George Neale and the marriage certificate for Elizabeth Tyler and John Star Brown.
I had wondered if Charles was perhaps trying to impress on this marriage certificate but his bride's father was a carpenter - so nothing really special.
In the 1881 census I just have Caroline Neale living with Charles Neale, the mother Elizabeth is not listed - I expect she has died. They are living at this time at 1 Napier Street Newington. Charles records his age as 28 on the census of this year and on his marriage certificate of 25 December 1881 states his age as 25 - Alice is only 19.
I havn't been able to find Charles and Alice on the 1891 census, I do know that they should have a son William by this time. I cannot find Caroline either, although the death certificate I have, if the correct one is dated 1892, the address on the death certificate is 22 Elizabeth Street, Walworth - her age at death 64.
In 1897 Charles dies. His widow Alice re-marries in 1898 to a George Ebsworth (apparently a lovely man - so my gran said) It took me nearly three years to find Alice and George Ebsworth on the 1901 census as his name was mis- transcribed.
The one thing I did try to do was to think in a different manner and at one time wondered if perhaps Elizabeth was the mother of Henry/Isaac Neale - So was originally Elizabeth Neale and then she remarried and became Elizabeth Brown. On the 1951 census is states Helen as either daughter by husband - daughter in law? or deserted by husband. Helen may be another daughter in law, and caroline another but not in that household although it seems her children or child were at the time?
Thank you so much for your pondering it is very helpful
Lemon
