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Heraldry challenge
« on: Sunday 11 February 07 08:58 GMT (UK) »
I have a description of the arms of Sir Richard de Whatton but can't find a picture of them.  Could someone attempt a picture?  The description is "Argent, on a bend sable, between six cross crosslets gules, three bezants".  I know what the words mean and can sort of visualise it, but would love someone to draw it.
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Re: Heraldry challenge
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 11 February 07 10:18 GMT (UK) »
Can you check the wording and the commas please.  As it is currently written there appears to be a colour missing and an extra comma inserted.

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Re: Heraldry challenge
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 11 February 07 10:19 GMT (UK) »
If I have read your description correctly it should be like this.


Sorry some how I couldn't count to six. ;)
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Re: Heraldry challenge
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 11 February 07 10:27 GMT (UK) »
Guy, thanks.  I've found sufficient drawing software to get the basic shape, the bend and the bezants.  I'm having trouble with the cross crosslets.  Shouldn't there be 3 either side of the bend?  And shouldn't they be red?  David, I copied the description exactly from a piece online.
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Richards in Lea, Gloucestershire, then London.
Williamson in Leith, Vickers in Nottingham.
Webb in Bildeston and Colchester.
Wesbroom in Kirby le Soken.
Ellington in Harwich.
Park, Palmer, Segar and Peartree in Kersey.

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Re: Heraldry challenge
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 11 February 07 10:30 GMT (UK) »
Oops yes the crosses should be red (gules)
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Re: Heraldry challenge
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 11 February 07 10:40 GMT (UK) »
I agree with you Suttontrust but I don't see why the besants should be any particular colour and why there is a comma between "sable" and "between".  As written I try to put the six cross crosslets on the bend and then don't know what to do with the besants.  Should I put them between the crosses on the bend?

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DETAILS OF MY NAMES ARE IN SURNAME INTERESTS, LINK AT FOOT OF PAGE
Wilson, Higgs, Buswell, PARCELL, Matthews, TAMKIN, Seckington, Pates, Coupland, Webb, Arthur, MAYNARD, Caves, Norman, Winch, Culverhouse, Drakeley.
Johnson, Routledge, SHIRT, SAICH, Mills, SAUNDERS, EDLIN, Perry, Vickers, Pakeman, Griffiths, Marston, Turner, Child, Sheen, Gray, Woolhouse, Stevens, Batchelor
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Re: Heraldry challenge
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 11 February 07 10:54 GMT (UK) »
A roundle (a generic name for a plain circular figure of colour or metal) when gold is termed a bezant.

The description is not clear as it could mean the three bezants were between six crosses on the bend.
That would however give a cluttered look and so I don't think that was the intended meaning
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Re: Heraldry challenge
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 11 February 07 11:44 GMT (UK) »
Quote from: Guy Etchells on Sunday 11 February 07 10:54 GMT (UK)
A roundle (a generic name for a plain circular figure of colour or metal) when gold is termed a bezant.

The description is not clear as it could mean the three bezants were between six crosses on the bend.
That would however give a cluttered look and so I don't think that was the intended meaning
Cheers
Guy

You are correct about the bezant, Guy; that will teach me not check my names
Living in Berkshire from Northampton & Milton Keynes
DETAILS OF MY NAMES ARE IN SURNAME INTERESTS, LINK AT FOOT OF PAGE
Wilson, Higgs, Buswell, PARCELL, Matthews, TAMKIN, Seckington, Pates, Coupland, Webb, Arthur, MAYNARD, Caves, Norman, Winch, Culverhouse, Drakeley.
Johnson, Routledge, SHIRT, SAICH, Mills, SAUNDERS, EDLIN, Perry, Vickers, Pakeman, Griffiths, Marston, Turner, Child, Sheen, Gray, Woolhouse, Stevens, Batchelor
Census Info is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

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Re: Heraldry challenge
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 11 February 07 12:04 GMT (UK) »
Grammatically, chaps, I think the comma is in the right place.  Substitute parentheses: Argent, on a bend sable (between six cross crosslets gules) three bezants - the bend is between the crosses and has three bezants on it.
Now to look for red cross crosslets!  ;D
And cheers, Guy, that's brilliant.
Godden in East Sussex, mainly Hastings area.
Richards in Lea, Gloucestershire, then London.
Williamson in Leith, Vickers in Nottingham.
Webb in Bildeston and Colchester.
Wesbroom in Kirby le Soken.
Ellington in Harwich.
Park, Palmer, Segar and Peartree in Kersey.
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