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Hello all: This might be old news to some, but I thought this New York Times article, published today, might interest fellow Rootschatters on the far side of the water (from where I sit). The story looks at recent research (and attendant speculation) showing closer genetic similarities among the English, the Irish, the Scots, and the Welsh than is generally believed.

Here is a link to the article: http://www.rootschat.com/links/01br/

The New York Times offers free access to articles for seven days (until March 13, '07, in this case); thereafter, access to the archived article starts to cost money.

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John
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DOBSON, LONGBOTTOM: Thornton (Bradford)
DRURY: Darton, Halifax, and Massachusetts
NEVIL(LE): Wigan (Lancs.), Darton
MEGSON: Dewsbury, Ossett
GARSIDE: Woolley, West Bretton

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ROBERT HENDRY: b. 1856, Who-knows-where-shire, Scotland; 1882 to US
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Re: New York Times article: "English, Irish, Scots: They’re All One, Genes Suggest"
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 07 March 07 02:21 GMT (UK) »
Interesting stuff, John - very interesting!!!  :D :D

I must say that the Irish and Scottish (Celtic) parts of me feel very different to the English part - but perhaps I'm kidding myself!  ;D ;D ::) 8) 8)

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Re: New York Times article: "English, Irish, Scots: They’re All One, Genes Suggest"
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 07 March 07 02:47 GMT (UK) »
Well that,s not exactly new new,s,but I guess it filled an editorial layout gap !
The Welsh though,the Cornish,and Irish,have had a different blood infusion not all of it from the European side.
Ireland has Hellenic influence,s.Wale,s being one of the favorite raiding spot,s for the Irish,probably the same.
Cornwall had it,s Phoenician and Corsair visitor,s as well as the nearer French.
Scotland is of course so close to Ireland that two way traffic would be inevitable,not discounting of course the later Mercenarie,s of the Roman occupation,interbreeding!
              Goggy. ;) ;D

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Re: New York Times article: "English, Irish, Scots: They’re All One, Genes Sugge
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 07 March 07 04:18 GMT (UK) »
Hi MarieC and Goggy: Just missed catching you two very early in the morning your time online. I take scientific studies like this one with a grain of salt. There is some logic to what the geneticists are saying, though, about the numbers of interlopers who came from various place to various places. Smaller numbers of invaders coming means less genetic change.

I'm English, Scottish, and Italian, as well as American. You can imagine how I feel about the various cultures that make up me...

By the way MarieC, I notice you have Bentleys in Yorkshire at the bottom of your post. I stumbled across the folowing site and bookmarked it even though I don't have Bentleys in my ancestry--I've never even ridden in a Bentley! The site is very well done: http://www.westridingbentley.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/index.html

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John
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ENGLAND (all Yorkshire but one)
SLATER: Ovenden, Halifax, and Massachusetts
DOBSON, LONGBOTTOM: Thornton (Bradford)
DRURY: Darton, Halifax, and Massachusetts
NEVIL(LE): Wigan (Lancs.), Darton
MEGSON: Dewsbury, Ossett
GARSIDE: Woolley, West Bretton

SCOTLAND
ROBERT HENDRY: b. 1856, Who-knows-where-shire, Scotland; 1882 to US
DEMPSTER, HOUSTON: Lesmahagow, Glasgow, and Massachusetts
GALBRAITH, MEIKLE: Kirkmichael, Ayr.; Hamilton, Glasgow, and Massachusetts


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Re: New York Times article: "English, Irish, Scots: They’re All One, Genes Suggest"
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 07 March 07 04:32 GMT (UK) »

Well John ! .... if you find that interesting .... you'll find this fascinating .............  ;D ;D ;D

I couldn't believe it when we first started on this long thread .......... but the more we looked into it .... the more I became convinced !!  :)

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,97203.0.html

Annie  :)

PS I thought my family were all from Lancashire ..... stupid me !!  ::)

PPS Did you know that "Welsh" is the Saxon name for stranger ?? ( just another bit of trivia !!  ::)  )
Cooper : Muels : Howarth : Every : Price : King

http://web.archive.org/web/20130407030702/http://www.freewebs.com/liverpoolannie

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Re: New York Times article: "English, Irish, Scots: They’re All One, Genes Suggest"
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 07 March 07 04:56 GMT (UK) »
A good read John. Interesting that the theory somewhat follows the lines of Irish legends which infer that Ireland was inhabited by Ionians then by Iberians.
All good brain fodder :)
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Re: New York Times article: "English, Irish, Scots: They’re All One, Genes Suggest"
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 07 March 07 07:37 GMT (UK) »
At least the article was useful in pointing out that the numbers of invaders in any given invasion mightn't have been as large as we tend to think!  Whether or not this geneticist is right, it is definitely food for thought!

John - thank you very much for that Bentley website, and for pm-ing me about it!  I have been there and had a quick look - very interesting!  I'm attempting to find links to Bentleys in Yorkshire from the ones I know of in London, and am completely stuck at present.  I will contact the site owner with details of my Bentleys, and we'll see if anything transpires from there!  Hopefully, the site may help others as well.

Many thanks

MarieC
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Re: New York Times article: "English, Irish, Scots: They’re All One, Genes Sugge
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 08 March 07 04:41 GMT (UK) »
Fascinating stuff! If anyone wants to go a little further into DNA based genealogy I can recommend "Blood of the Isles" by Bryan Sykes. The author is the academic who founded Oxford Ancestors whose services have been discussed previously on Rootschat.

Although he pretty well sticks to the science his book helps to knock on the head some of the tribalistic nonsense that we sometimes get in the English speaking world.

John
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Re: New York Times article: "English, Irish, Scots: They’re All One, Genes Suggest"
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 08 March 07 10:21 GMT (UK) »
Although he pretty well sticks to the science his book helps to knock on the head some of the tribalistic nonsense that we sometimes get in the English speaking world.

John

refering to the english speaking world, has anyone read "the history of britain revealed" by m.j. harper? who claims that all european languages as descended from english. its a fascinating read :)
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