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Musgrave/Haslehurst connection?
« on: Sunday 11 March 07 09:36 GMT (UK) »
First let me thank everyone for all the new resources - I've spent a very happy day with them!!
Now perhaps someone may be able to help me with a connection I am trying to make.
In the 1851 census for Barnton Cheshire, Folio 171 P.22, I have found my g.g.grandparents Zachariah age 18 and Elizabeth Musgrove living with Elizabeths father Thomas Beach.
Zachariah is listed as a carpenter, and on the same census is another Musgrove, Edward, age 67, wdr. also a carpenter, living with Thomas and Sarah Haslehurst, and listed as father-in-law. (Folio 170 p. 21)
Can anyone tie these two families together please?
Warm regards from a VERY warm Queensland Australia.
Calthorpe ,Colyer, Davy, , Grant, Guest, Hannington, Harding, Hartley, Hughes, Macro ,Marchant,  McKindoe , Moffet ,Morgans Musgrave, , Mort, Nicholson, Patterson, Porter,Smith, Roddis, Schofield, Scholefield, Smith.

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Re: Musgrave/Haslehurst connection?
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 11 March 07 10:05 GMT (UK) »
Hi perilsofpauline  :)

Not sure if this helps?

1841
HO107/121/24 12 17
Middlewich, Cheshire
Cracton? Lane

George Musgrove, 31, Ag lab
Elizabeth, 29
Thomas, 12
Zacharia, 9
Ellen, 7
Mary, 5
Sarah, 3
Ann, 1

All born in county.

I can't see Edward  :-\

Thomas and Sarah Haslehurst are all on their own in 1841.

This could be Edward in 1841:
HO107/92/5 11 17
Great Budworth Barnton, Cheshire

Edward Musgrave, 50, Carpenter
Martha, 50
James, 30, Lab? Boiler?
Joseph, 20, Boiler Maker
William, 18, Laborer
Ellen, 16
Thomas, 14
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Re: Musgrave/Haslehurst connection?
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 11 March 07 10:39 GMT (UK) »
1861 RG9/2603 folio 5 page 6 Wincham Cheshire
Thomas Musgrave head age 34 clerk at salt works Little leigh
Margaret age 34 Lostock
Martha age 8 Wincham

further down page

Charles Holland age 42 Ship carpenter Wincham
Mary age 42 Leigh
Sarah age 9 Wincham
Ellen age 2Wincham
Edward Musgrave father in law age 79 widow Wheel wright Preston Brook

Mary Musgrove married Charles Holland june quarter  1842 Northwich Cheshire   19  151

Sarah Musgrove married Thomas Haslehurst 1837 march quarter  Runcorn Cheshire 19 167

Pam
oakley, Leadbeater, Hemming, Jones, Pearsall, Page,------ Aston, Leominster, Balsall Heath, Tewkesbury, Kings Norton, Birmingham.

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Re: Musgrave/Haslehurst connection?
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 11 March 07 10:45 GMT (UK) »
Sarah Haslehurst is born at Little Leigh also Thomas and Mary.
oakley, Leadbeater, Hemming, Jones, Pearsall, Page,------ Aston, Leominster, Balsall Heath, Tewkesbury, Kings Norton, Birmingham.

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Re: Musgrave/Haslehurst connection?
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 11 March 07 11:17 GMT (UK) »
Hi Pam, Tati and "downunder"
Thankyou so much for all that added information. Its helped find my Zachariah's parents for a start, plus his siblings, then his brother Thomas with wife and child on the 1861 census. Then the marriage of sarah and Thomas. I can send for the certificate and will know once and for all who their fathers were, and if they are in fact my folk. A wonderful result!!
Thank you all so very, very, much!!
Pauline
Calthorpe ,Colyer, Davy, , Grant, Guest, Hannington, Harding, Hartley, Hughes, Macro ,Marchant,  McKindoe , Moffet ,Morgans Musgrave, , Mort, Nicholson, Patterson, Porter,Smith, Roddis, Schofield, Scholefield, Smith.

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Re: Musgrave/Haslehurst connection?
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 11 March 07 11:19 GMT (UK) »
1851 H0107/2165 folio 293 page 13 Wincham Lostock Gralam Cheshire reg district Northwich

Witton brow
Charles Holland age 32 rock salt miner born Marston
Mary age 32 little leigh


1861 RG9/2600 folio 35 page  1 Barton  Christchurch Cheshire


Canal side
Zachariah Musgrove age 28 Joiner Cogshall
Elizabeth age 28 Barnton
Sarah age 8 Barnton
Albert age 4 Barnton
Mary E age 3 Barnton

2 doors up

Thomas Clark age 49 Waterman Barnton
Ellen age 45 Norley
Mary Haslehurst age 8 niece Limn
Fanny Stowe  or Stone visitor age 50 retired publican Liverpool

Pam

oakley, Leadbeater, Hemming, Jones, Pearsall, Page,------ Aston, Leominster, Balsall Heath, Tewkesbury, Kings Norton, Birmingham.

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Re: Musgrave/Haslehurst connection?
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 11 March 07 11:39 GMT (UK) »
1871 RG10/3694 folio 36 page 2 Barton Christchurch Cheshire

Canal Side

Ellen Clark W age 57 Norley
Mary Hazlehurst  niece  age 18 born Lymn Cheshire Nurse
Elizabeth Stent or Stint age 6 visitor Liverpool
James  Stent or Stint age 5 visitor Liverpool
William Wright age 35
Joseph Hine age 24

Pam
oakley, Leadbeater, Hemming, Jones, Pearsall, Page,------ Aston, Leominster, Balsall Heath, Tewkesbury, Kings Norton, Birmingham.

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Re: Musgrave/Haslehurst connection?
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 11 March 07 12:05 GMT (UK) »
My thanks again Pam, I hardly know where look first! Having Mary Haslehurst living so close to Zachariah and Elizabeth is interesting as it might now show another family, the Clarkes are also related to my mob.
Thomas Clarke is down as a boatman, and that was also the occupation of Elizabeth's father, Thomas beach. Strangely I havent been able to find Thomas Beach on any other census returns, or who he was married to. Plus there was a John Beach on that same 1851 census, also a boatman, also at Barnton, but I havent been able to connect him yet either. Would it be too much trouble to see if you can find either of them for me as well please?
Just to add to the picture, living with John and Hannah Beach in 1851, were an Elizabeth Platt (sister-in-law) down as Nurse girl, and Sarah Beach, mother, as a nurse Tenter? Maybe nursing ran in the family?
Anyway, to you, Pam, and Tata, thank you both very much for all your help. I wont be able to sleep tonight. (Mind you, its too hot for sleeping!)
Warm regards,
Pauline
Calthorpe ,Colyer, Davy, , Grant, Guest, Hannington, Harding, Hartley, Hughes, Macro ,Marchant,  McKindoe , Moffet ,Morgans Musgrave, , Mort, Nicholson, Patterson, Porter,Smith, Roddis, Schofield, Scholefield, Smith.

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Re: Musgrave/Haslehurst connection?
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 11 March 07 13:01 GMT (UK) »
1851 H0107/2165 folio 171 page 23 Barnton Cheshire

John Beach age 32 boatman all born Barnton
Hannah Beach age 25
James age 6
Thomas age 4
Elizabeth Platt age 12 niece nurse child
Sarah Beach mar nurse tenter mother age 57 Barton


1861 RG9/2600 folio 36 page 3 Barnton christchurch Cheshire

Canal side

Thomas Beech age 68 Waterman barnton
Sarah  age 67 born Barton

next door

Thomas Beech age 43 waterman Barnton
Mary age 32 Birkenhead
Sarah age 2 Barnton
George Thomas age 3 months Barnton

next door

John Beach age 41  Waterman    Barnton
Hannah age 34 Barton
James age 16 barton
Thomas age 14 Barton
John age 10 Barton
Mary age 11 months Lancashire
James Platt visitor  widow age 68 Tailor born  Little Leigh
Thomas Platt age 15 boat boy born Barnton


Pam
oakley, Leadbeater, Hemming, Jones, Pearsall, Page,------ Aston, Leominster, Balsall Heath, Tewkesbury, Kings Norton, Birmingham.

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