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Offline Brambletye

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Re: Fed Up With Genealogy Tree Thieves
« Reply #126 on: Friday 13 July 07 19:54 BST (UK) »


The only cure I can see for this is to post my work up myself, quote all the sources with attached images as proof, and hope people are discerning enough to see the difference; but what is to stop someone downloading it, posting it up later as their own work, and filling it full of so many factual and typographical errors and sweeping assumptions of their own that my efforts become negated? or else, as one other poster has said, trying to flog it on EBay...



I don't understand!
If you are so worried about people nicking your work....why do you post it at all?

Indi....thick as a brick!...as me old Ma used to say!

I don't think my point has quite been taken on board here - I don't post it, and never have. Some other little toad has done it for me, without my prior knowledge, and previous to his latest pangs of conscience/fear of reprisals which I suspect he has had fron his family in the US of A or whatever, certain parts of it went up without my consent. I am merely postulating the theory in my quote above that the only way to correct inaccurate data online is to say that if you can't beat 'em, join 'em - neither of which I find a particularly aytractive prospect.

Frankly, I have no desire to post anything on the 'Net, in the light of past and recent developments - I don't post it anywhere, never have, and anyone having read my previous posts thoroughly would realise that.

However - as info. regarding family has been posted up by people to whom I supplied it by e-mail - supplied over two years ago I might add, in the days when I still felt there was a certain code of conduct in operation with conditions attached to the supply of said data (albeit unenforceable, but one can hope people might do the decent thing - ignored at one point) - and as it now looks as though this situation may be perpetuated by someone else who has altered the data she downloaded from the person to whom I supplied it herself to make it significantly less accurate, there is a problem here that can clearly only be resolved by the original researcher, i.e. me.

Obviously I have a choice - do what I do not wish to do, and correct the material by posting it up myself in its original and accurate form, or let everyone else get on with it and disseminate flawed data on the 'net.

Frankly, I'm bored to death with the whole wretched issue - as long as the borrowers of my material don't later backtrack and suddenly decide they are finally going to start attributing parts of their trees to me because they realise they've got it wrong and need a scapegoat on whom to blame it, that's fine. Get on with it, guys...do your little thing, but don't expect my sanction or future co-operation.

Brambletye

Not thick as a brick, Indi, funnily enough - I got my qualifications back in the days when they weren't being handed out like sweets. I was just rather too trusting in the past regarding people who turned out to be quite happy to take what ever I had to offer and started shutting down the contact when I'd obviously served my purpose. I think my worst sin here was to be naive enough to believe my views and requests would actually be honoured.

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Re: Fed Up With Genealogy Tree Thieves
« Reply #127 on: Friday 13 July 07 20:00 BST (UK) »
Excuse me.

The "Thick as a brick" reference was to myself.....as I said....I don't understand all the whinging.....all of the details of your family ree are available to anyone who has the time and inclination to dig.......
And for those who are lazy and help themselves to the info without doing the work....Oh well. Surely there are better things to be upset over!

Indi.....even thicker than before


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Re: Fed Up With Genealogy Tree Thieves
« Reply #128 on: Friday 13 July 07 20:47 BST (UK) »
Sorry Indi, clearly I misunderstood - but re the tree thing, all the details are now only going to be available to anyone if they are prepared to spend mega-money buying the GRO certs, go the the Records Office and visit the Local Studies Library, because they ain't going to get it from me - at least, not now that they have posted up all my hard work on Ancestry and passed it off as their own efforts.

You must be remarkably tolerant - would it really not offend you that you had done all that work and spent all that money, for years and years, to then have someone else put it up on line as "So-and-So's (i.e. his own) Data" when you knew very well he'd hardly done a damn thing towards it prior to 1875 and that most of it before that was yours? maybe I should be more laid-back, but frankly, I think this is really taking the p***...at least he could acknowledge the fact that he had some assistance along the way.

I don't particularly want my name in lights, otherwise I'd not be calling myself Brambletye here, I'd be out of the closet and spreading my name around for all to see - but surely a passing acknowledgement to the fact that most of this character's data was actually gleaned from elsewhere could receive some kind of mention...? it all begins to look like one huge ego trip otherwise, doesn't it. "Look at all the work I've done, all by myself! am I not a clever little boy!!" 

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Re: Fed Up With Genealogy Tree Thieves
« Reply #129 on: Friday 13 July 07 21:30 BST (UK) »
I personally think that this topic has run it's course.  There will always be disagreements, and I appreciate that some people are more sensitive about "tree thieves" than others are.

I'm afraid that I'm with Indi on this one, and really wouldn't get upset if someone pinched my work.  Afterall, there are far more important things to worry/get upset about in this lifetime. Maybe it's my near-death last year that has changed my views, but I do know that life is too short and very precious.

And just one last point, the World Wide Web (WWW) is as the name suggests, world and very wide, for everyone to see (and download/copy for free ;) ;)).
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Re: Fed Up With Genealogy Tree Thieves
« Reply #130 on: Friday 13 July 07 22:41 BST (UK) »
I'm with Brambletype as it happened to me too.

I still don't think you understand that we DID NOT put the info on the web and the info from my tree is not available on the web for free(not on the IGI) except what someone has taken and altered and made a mess of.

Has anyone taken your tree and altered it I wonder?

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Re: Fed Up With Genealogy Tree Thieves
« Reply #131 on: Friday 13 July 07 22:49 BST (UK) »
OK.....

I have never put my tree on the web....I have sent information to people who seem to be related to me in one way or another......I have sent birth/marriage/death cert and census images to Ireland and Canada and Australia and back home to my cousins in England.

Some of these people have taken the information that I have given ....I mean given ...them and put it on the web.....and sometimes that have messed it all up!

Do I care?........NO

My hubby ain't pleased that in cyberspace he is now married to my sister.....but other than that.......No big deal.

And, yes...I am a very tolerant person...and I thought that the point of family tree was to all get joined together?........I am sure that at some point, someone will give me oodles of good family tree stuff.

End of subject.

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Re: Fed Up With Genealogy Tree Thieves
« Reply #132 on: Tuesday 17 July 07 07:01 BST (UK) »
??? hmm it doesn't really worry me if someone steals my tree...I would even send them certificates if they asked...as long as they dont steal my ID or my credit card I am happy, I like sharing what I have and if it makes them happy to tack on complete strangers    8) well my dear old mum used to say there is nowt so strange as folk...I once had a guy insisting that we were related  I couldnt see it but he wanted to tack me on....dont know if he did because when I went to check his tree to see if we were related it had so many thousands on it that it took to long to download and I couldnt be bothered waiting I had to laugh...wonder if I will get a christmas card ;D
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Re: Fed Up With Genealogy Tree Thieves
« Reply #133 on: Tuesday 17 July 07 07:34 BST (UK) »
I have to say sometimes it pays to take a risk.  I found a Cousin (or rather he found me) on rootschat a few months back.  Since then we've exchanged information, photos and I've even sent :P  him treking around the countryside for me, it's absolutely fantastic and there is a very good chance we will meet in October.

Sometimes you get lucky!  ;)

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Re: Fed Up With Genealogy Tree Thieves
« Reply #134 on: Tuesday 17 July 07 09:23 BST (UK) »
:o  HEY   indiapaleale
I can just imagine some future family member looking back trying to find his roots and coming across your hubby being married to two sisters at the same time  8) they will think he was leading a double life :D
no what worries me is where someone takes your photos and uses them on an online dating board  pretending to be you...it happens all the time I am told  ;)
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