Ice cream sellers and street musicians

[Salford Lass]

I found this today at Moston Cemetery, thought it might help anyone researching more on the Crolla's.

Salford Lass

[J.J.]

Same publication also has "Italian Ice men" ...makes my blood boil, though...some of this fellows comments...reminds me of how local "writers" & "journalists" spoke of the natives in their midst... J.J.

http://www.victorianlondon.org/publications/thomson-19.htm

[J.J.]

Street sales in Victorian London...wonderful photographs!
http://www.cityofshadows.net/content/view/18/31/

Some interesting reading
http://www.anglo-italianfhs.org.uk/docs/immigration.html

Sheffield forrum has more...
http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?p=2101621

Note the link to the photo gallery
http://www.bbc.co.uk/legacies/immig_emig/england/manchester/article_1.shtml

[Gillg]

There's some really interesting stuff appearing now, thanks everyone.  Let's hope it helps other families with Italian ancestors, too.

J. J.  I think my Luigi must have been among the earlier immigrants, as he married for the first time and had his first child in Norwich in 1848.  Some of these sites seem to talk more about immigrants in the 1870s and later. (That would be around the time my Huntingdonshire Ag Lab relatives were emigrating to Australia, New Zealand and the US!) He was described in census records as an ice cream maker, whereas his children were ice cream sellers, so must have had premises of some kind, unless he mixed it up in the kitchen of his overcrowded house.  Can't find a trade directory for the right period and place, unfortunately, to see if he's listed. 

Gill

[Carrie Ann]

Does anyone know how I should go about finding naturalisation papers ,if there are any?

Carrie

[Mr. MIGKY]

UK TV HISTORY CHANNEL are running a short season of films called : THE LOST WORLD OF MITCHELL& KENYON. They were short films made from around the north west of England . They dealt with every day life of the working class's. In one program it shows the Italian family's from around the Ancoats area of Manchester, at the Witt walks and street selling. I think the put them on quite regular.  Well worth watching.

http://www.bfi.org.uk/booksvideo/video/details/mitchellandkenyon/lost-world.html

http://www.movinghistory.ac.uk/archives/bn/films/bn7colliery.html

Many of these films were made before cinema's became popular , i think they were from around 1890's to 1920's

Migky

[bodger]

Further to an earlier post on the first " Italian Ice Cream Makers",  a  Anthony Ginocchie / Ginnochio, ice cream maker, b. 1874, Accrington, m. 18?? , Mary A Muckle / Mukelt, b. 18876, Lancaster,  Mary was a step sister of my grandmother, are there any Ginocchio's still around ?.
                                       Jacqui (bodgers better half)

[Gillg]

Carrie

The National Archives site has several references to various catalogues connected with naturalisation .  See

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/familyhistory/guide/migrantancestors/naturalisation.htm

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/Leaflets/ri2156.htm

It's worth a try.

Gill

[Ninatoo]

My grandfather was a Granelli, and I have been trying to establish a link between him and the Macclesfield Granelli family.  The Ancoats site mentioned before has an article about my family on it, but the man has some of the details incorrect.  I need to go back and ask him to amend it.

As far as I know my Granelli family came to Glasgow Scotland between 1901 and 1908.  There is family talk that we are related to the Macclesfield Granelli family and it was apparently confirmed by a visit with them, by one of my relatives some time ago.  But the current Granelli family believe this is not the case.  I will have to wait until the 1910 census is out to get the next piece of the puzzle.

Nina