Johnston - Rea - Kidd etc.

[MonicaL]

Mary Suttie Johnston's age on the 1861 Census shows as 7, that would make her birth in 1854...maybe just before her parents' marriage. I can't find an entry for her birth in 1855.

In respect of Elizabeth Ramsay Dorward, these look like her siblings. To parents John Dorward and Barbara Ramsay:

1. JOHN DORWARD Birth: 03 FEB 1854/ Christening: 09 APR 1854 Guthrie, Angus, Scotland
2. WILLIAM DORWARD Birth: 14 DEC 1855 Guthrie, Angus, Scotland
3. JAMES RAE DORWARD Birth: 30 AUG 1857 Guthrie, Angus, Scotland
4. DAVID DORWARD  Birth: 15 JUL 1859 Guthrie, Angus, Scotland
5. ELIZABETH RAMSAY DORWARD Birth: 11 NOV 1861 Guthrie, Angus, Scotland
6. MARY ANN BALLA DORWARD Birth: 28 JAN 1864 Guthrie, Angus, Scotland
7. PETER DORWARD  Birth: 08 NOV 1865 Guthrie, Angus, Scotland
8. ROBERT LAING DORWARD  Birth: 29 APR 1868 Guthrie, Angus, Scotland
9. CATHERINE LAIRD DORWARD Birth: 29 AUG 1869 Guthrie, Angus, Scotland
10. MARGARET RAMSAY DORWARD Birth: 22 FEB 1871 Guthrie, Angus, Scotland
11. GEORGE DORWARD Birth: 24 MAR 1872 Guthrie, Angus, Scotland

[MonicaL]

Can't easily find them in Guthrie in the 1871 Census, but this is the Dorward family in 1861:

John Dorward    27, ploughman, b. Lochee
Barbara Ramsay    26, b. Guthrie
John Dorward    7
William Dorward 5
James Dorward    3
David Dorward    1

Address:  Kirkbuddo Burnside Monghamb House, Guthrie

[MonicaL]

And Barbara Ramsay's birth details, actual extract from the OPRs:

BARBARA RAMSAY Birth: 06 JAN 1835/ Christening:  16 JAN 1835 Guthrie, Angus, Scotland. Parents: Father: JOHN RAMSAY    Mother: MARY BALLA

[MonicaL]

There are submitted details for the parents' marriage and John Ramsay's birth on IGI:

John Ramsay  Birth: 1795  Tealing, Angus, Scotland
Marriages: Spouse: Mary Balla    Marriage: 15 JUN 1833 

There is also a John Ramsay, a farmer born in Tealing, and wife Mary living in Guthrie in the 1851 census with a big healthy family.

I'll post the entry tomorrow...it's getting late here and I'm off to bed before I start making mistakes 

Night.

Monica 

[adee7]

Monica,

I hope you know how much I appreciate your amazing help with this.

Regards,   Kathleen

[MonicaL]

Kathleen

Below is the 1851 census entry for the Ramsay family in Guthrie, with Barbara still in the household:

John Ramsay    56, Farmer Of 48 Acres Employing 1 Man, b. Tealing
Mary Ramsay    42, b. Guthrie
Barbara Ramsay    16
Jane Ramsay    13
Elizabeth Ramsay 11
Peter Ramsay    7
Janet Ramsay    4
Andrew Ramsay    2
Robert Ramsay    ?
David Welsh    19, blacksmith, b. Forfar
George Glendye    17, farm servant, b. Forfar

Address:Burn Of Kirkbudde, Guthrie

1861:

John Ramsay    66, Farmer Of 64 Acres Employing 3 Labourer & 1 Boy, b. Tealing
Mary Ramsay    52, b. Guthrie
Elizabeth Ramsay    21
Robert Ramsay    16
Janet Ramsay    14
Andrew Ramsay    12
William Ramsay    8
Jane Dargie    9, grandchild, b. Guthrie
George Howe 4, grandchild, b. Guthrie

Address: Kirkbuddo Burnside, Guthrie



As you can see from the address for parents, Barbara and family probably lived near by.

Regards.

Monica



   

[MonicaL]

Mary Balla's details: To parents George BALLA and Elizabeth DOUGLAS, the following children show:

1. JEAN BALLA  Birth: 22 JAN 1807/ Christening: 03 FEB 1807 Guthrie, Angus, Scotland
2. MARY BALLA Birth: 08 SEP 1808/ Christening: 14 SEP 1808 Guthrie, Angus, Scotland
3. ROBERT BALLA Birth: 21 MAY 1810/ Christening: 30 MAY 1810 Guthrie, Angus, Scotland

Parents' marriage:

GEORGE BALLA  Marriages: Spouse: ELIZABETH DOUGLAS Marriage: 01 SEP 1804  Guthrie, Angus, Scotland

And Mary Balla's death entry on SP:

1882   RAMSAY   MARY   BALLA   74   GUTHRIE   /ANGUS   291/00 0001

[MonicaL]

Kathleen

I have found Barbara and John Dorward in the 1871 Census. From the index, I think the relationships are a bit mixed up so you may have to look at the original to verify. It looks like Barbara and John may have been living with her brother Robert (who shows age 16 in the 1861 Census). The name of his wife may also explain why John and Barbara called one of their girls Catherine Laird Dorward:


Robert Ramsay    26, Farmer 6 Ac Arable 1 Man 1 Boy, b. Guthrie
Catherine Layrd Ramsay    25, farmer's wife, b. Inverarity
John Dorward    37, agr. lab., b. Lochee
Barbra Ramsay Dorward    36, Labourers Wife, b. Guthrie
John Dorward    17, ploughman
James Dorward    13
Elisabeth Dorward 9
Maryann Dorward 7
Pether Dorward    5
Robert Dorward    3
Catherine Dorward 1
Margaret Dorward 1 Mo
Edward Galy 70, boarder, agr. lab. b. Glamis
Robert Garbay 4, nephew, b. Forfar

Address: Burnside, Guthrie

[MonicaL]

My last one for now - give you a chance to go through everything and put it in order 

To help you flesh out the places and parish names, have a look at:

1. www.scotlandsfamily.com/gazetteer.htm - the county and parish maps links on the left hand side are brilliant.

2. To look at individual areas, have a look at www.old-maps.co.uk which provides old ordnance maps by place name (go through the gazetteer to Forfarshire and then the alpha listing of place names).

Have fun 

Monica